# Do women really curse more than men, as the hadith says? *Factual errors in the report: who curses more, and ingratitude* - URL: https://muftiabulayth.org/r/tfzo7s3t_8o/s/4/ - Date: 2018-07-29 · Kind: lesson · Transcript tier: machine · Recording: Hadith Analysis: Did the Prophet ﷺ Refer to Women as Lacking Intellect and Faith? (16:41–23:44) - Status: general teaching - Watch from the start of the segment: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFZo7S3T_8o&t=1001s - Recording page: https://muftiabulayth.org/r/tfzo7s3t_8o/ **Topics:** Reports demeaning women; Text criticism, reason and the Quran; Speech and everyday conduct **Summary (not a quotation; machine-made, unchecked):** No: Mufti Abu Layth says men swear more than women across cultures and ingratitude is shared by both, so the report's reasons are factual errors. **Checked position (checked by two independent reviews, not by the channel):** Mufti Abu Layth says the report contains a factual error, since men always outperform women in swearing in every culture. **Evidence, his words at 19:12:** “it is unquestionable in any culture that men always outperform women in swearing right so this is one important point that this is actually a factual error” (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFZo7S3T_8o&t=1152s) ## Longer summary Mufti Abu Layth cites Ibn al-Jawzi again that a report with factual errors is fabricated, and says this one has them: the women ask why they are most of hell's inhabitants and are told it is because they curse much and are ungrateful to their husbands. He says that cross-culturally and throughout history men outperform women in swearing, so this is a factual error, and adds that cursing per se is not haram, since the Prophet and companions used curses, whereas swearing at people to harm them is. Mufti says most wars have been caused by men and the Quran describes murder as the highest of crimes, yet the report puts women in hell for swearing, and says Qadi Iyad [?] and other scholars had already noticed the problem and suggested the Prophet meant particular women. He says ingratitude belongs to men and women alike, citing the Quran that man is excessively ungrateful, and explains that cursing and swearing are the same thing, swears following each era's taboos, from disease and famine in the past to sexual ones since the Victorian age. ## Sources and names cited - report: women are the majority of the people of hell and lacking in intellect and faith (in Sahih al-Bukhari and Sahih Muslim, number not stated) - Ibn al-Jawzi - Qadi Iyad [?] ## Transcript (machine tier, 16:41–23:44) [16:03] narration leaned in on Bilal and he asked the women to give charity and that has none of has no mention of any of this kind of stuff in it it's just the Prophet encouraging them to give charity so okay so now the location like as in the actual in the Prophet going to where the women were seated and addressing them privately but then none of these male companions like Abu Huraira of Abu Zeid and hood we were actually there so so they're hearing this from somebody who we don't know who that somebody is so this is and how do we know whether [16:40] that somebody misinterpreted okay Oh miss relayed something so that's one point the other point is and this is a very important point now as ignore Josie another scholar said if you find a hadith that has contradictions in it factual errors or linguistic errors know that this is fabricated now take a look at this hadith this hadith actually contains factual errors right so take it take a look at this in this hadith the [17:18] Prophet says to the women you will be the majority of the inhabitants of the Hellfire so they asked the Prophet Bheema why and in several narrations he says live because and in others he answers in all of them pretty much he answers by giving the justification so he's answering the question why are we the greater inhabitants of the Hellfire I've already read the hadith somebody's asking can we hear the hadith I've already ready so they say in several of these narrations so for example they [17:58] will say Bhima he says if I need a token acts are a leaner I've seen you as the majority inhabitants of the Hellfire they say why why why is that and in some narrations so you will see that the intermediate authority Latin hakuna because of your excessive swearing well ku freakin aloshy okay or in all the other narrations in body in Muslim Journal and because you excessively sway no attack foreign l-akhirin you are ungrateful to your husband or your provider now and this is the same theme in all of them now the question here is that actually a [18:35] factual error that's actually a factual error I want us to pause here because right throughout cross-culturally throughout history tell our to our modern age men by and large outperform women in swearing men have always sworn much more than women and they continue to do so in fact in Martin this is cross-cultural that people it's not [19:12] ladylike to use bad language even in this modern age I mean you could say well women today swear they do swear women have always sworn as well but it is unquestionable in any culture that men always outperform women in swearing right so this is one important point that this is actually a factual error that they took selling the land because you sway excessively but that's not true that men sweat much more than women do and if you're going to be honest [19:51] swearing per se is not haram Larnaca per se is not Haram I mean there may be a difference of opinion but generally cursing is not Haram it is swearing at people that is Haram so when you say to people you know you so-and-so that causes harm and abuse and that is Haram just cursing is not Haram per se because even in the in the hadith several hadith the Prophet is a Latin Allah may Allah curse so and so may Allah curse so and so the Companions conduct or all the time used curses in the hadith you read the [20:31] code may your mother be bereft of you may or you know may you become an orphan may you get a disease these were the kind of curses in many of the Swift's are you sorry many of the hadith of the companions and stuff like this so then one could argue that most of the wars throughout human history have been caused by men that is unquestionable now you could say women have played a role in that but generally it is always men now is killing not worse than than swearing is killing not yet Allah described the Quran describes murder as [21:07] the highest of crimes and yet the majority of the inhabitants of the Hellfire are there for swearing which by the way they are not they don't outdo their counterparts in so that writes of that is a contradiction so it is not true that the women of Arabia swore more than men that is not true women cross-culturally you can check out sociological studies women do not they do swear but men out perform women in swearing cross-culturally generally across the board so that is a factual [21:46] error in the hadith hence called the yard and all these scholars had to ignore this because they even felt well that's because they even said that otherwise in our day and age men always swim more than women and he said well maybe the Prophet was speaking about a specific women because otherwise men always wear more than women so you know scholars had already highlighted this the other thing is stuck for mulashi that you are ungrateful to your husband now let's be honest everybody is ungrateful men and women are ungrateful allah says in the quran the inner [22:25] internal of the Loom Kafar that in son is indeed excessively ungrateful right so somebody said here this is not about swearing this is about cursing cursing is swearing there is no difference really I know people religious people tend to think there's a difference but some religious people but there isn't it's just that over time curse is turned from kind of plagues diseases to sexual kind of swears and this is more in the latter centuries it really is based on taboos [23:04] whatever is the taboo of a of a generation that's what becomes this way so cursing is really swearing and the prophets Allah listen and when he was talking about cursing he was talking about this like god damn you god damn you got damn it god damn you was a version of swearing and the swears in the past were not sexual because sex was not really a taboo in the past they're actually ironically became more of a to me with the Victorian age so in the past disease famine all of these things were a taboo so people would wish them on each other as a curse to kind of to kind of harm each other but not as an actual ## Cite Mufti Abu Layth Archive, segment TFZo7S3T_8o/s/4. https://muftiabulayth.org/r/tfzo7s3t_8o/s/4/ Not a fatwa: these answers were given to specific people at specific times. 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