# Does 'those who have not menstruated' in Quran 65:4 refer to little girls? *'Those who have not menstruated': women with absent cycles, not little girls, in Abu Hayyan, Ibn Ashur and other commentators* - URL: https://muftiabulayth.org/r/t-x4lyns2ve/s/6/ - Date: 2019-07-25 · Kind: lesson · Transcript tier: machine · Recording: A Reply to Abdullah Sameer's Allegation: The Quran Teaches Paedophilia | Mufti Abu Layth (18:09–22:06) - Status: general teaching - Watch from the start of the segment: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-X4Lyns2vE&t=1089s - Recording page: https://muftiabulayth.org/r/t-x4lyns2ve/ **Topics:** Contested verses; Divorce; Atheists and polemicists **Summary (not a quotation; machine-made, unchecked):** No: Mufti Abu Layth says the phrase refers to women whose cycles are absent through illness or irregularity, as Abu Hayyan, Ibn Ashur, al-Samarqandi, Abu al-Su'ud and Ibn Atiyya read it. Al-Tha'labi records that the verse was revealed about a man who divorced his wife during her menses. **Checked position (checked by two independent reviews, not by the channel):** Mufti Abu Layth holds that 'those who have not menstruated' in 65:4 refers to women whose cycles are absent through illness or irregularity, not to prepubescent girls, as Abu Hayyan, Ibn Ashur and other commentators read it. **Evidence, his words at 18:31:** “or does it mean those who don't have not had their cycle due to some kind of abnormality now this that's what this verse very clearly meant” (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-X4Lyns2vE&t=1111s) ## Longer summary Mufti Abu Layth identifies the words the objector says allow paedophilia: 'and those who have not menstruated'. He poses the alternatives, whether this means girls of six or seven who have no cycle, or women who have no cycle because of some abnormality, and says the latter is very clearly what the verse meant. He cites Abu Hayyan, who explains that many women have abnormal or absent cycles through illness or irregularity and refers the phrase to them, and Ibn Ashur, whom he calls the great Maliki mufti of the twentieth century, who reads the phrase as a continuation of the preceding clause: even a woman not at the menopause but without cycles sits three months. He adds al-Tha'labi, who records that the occasion of revelation was a man who divorced his wife during her menses and was rebuked by the Prophet; al-Samarqandi, who says it simply concerns women who do not menstruate; Abu al-Su'ud, who speaks only of women and old age with no mention of girls; and Ibn Atiyya to the same effect. ## Sources and names cited - Quran 65:4 (those who have despaired of menstruation, if you are in doubt, their iddah is three months, and those who have not menstruated; the pregnant until they give birth): https://quran.com/65/4 - iddah (waiting period after divorce) - Abu Hayyan al-Andalusi - Ibn Ashur - al-Tha'labi [?] - Abu al-Layth al-Samarqandi - Abu al-Su'ud - Ibn Atiyya [?] - asbab al-nuzul (occasions of revelation) ## Transcript (machine tier, 18:09–22:06) [17:51] who are not having these cycles what will hurtle a man and those who are appear to be pregnant agile owner in Havana Hamlin Hamlin the ADA is until childbirth or may attack in La Jolla jalalahu min amri hero and indeed if you are mindful of God he will create easily now this is the verse that that they are claiming allows pedophilia we let me tell you this part that said [18:31] after it said those women who you are in doubt whether they've disappeared from the in there whether they at the menopause or not let them wait have a 3-month cycle and then he says well let me ahead nur and those who have not had their cycle the question is what does that mean those who have not had their cycle does this mean those who have not had their cycle because they're six seven years old they're just little girls they don't have a cycle or does it mean those who don't have not had their [19:07] cycle due to some kind of abnormality now this that's what this verse very clearly meant you will see people you will see for example a bhai jaan he mentions how it's very clear that this that this verse because it this verse those who ever who have not had their cycle how would a woman have not had a cycle because there's many women who have abnormal cycles as many women who do not either it could be for an illness or it could just be for some abnormality of their cycles that they don't have [19:45] menstral cycles and he mentions our hawaiian mentions that it's women for an allah it mentions them now that you will see other people even our short mentions that this is simply a follow-on from those women who you are in doubt about have they disappeared it's the follow-on from that evening I assured the great mufti of the Grand Mufti of the Maliki the great which the aid of the 20th century he writes this is just add upon Allah yes nur those women who [20:21] you are in doubt about whether they have reached a menopause or not then let them sit for three months and those women who do not have cycles he's saying this is simply just an out this is just a follow on and those who it's just a description of those women now meaning even if they are not at their menopause but they do not have these cycles then let them sit three months that's the most important thing then you have other scholars like [20:56] Salah be he mentions that the hadith in the suburban Azul for this he mentions that the suburban Azul to do with this verse was to do with women a woman that was divorced during her menstrual cycle and the Prophet told the person off and said you don't divorce them during you wait and then you divorced them and that's why this verse was revealed and he doesn't summer Cundy in his stuff she mentions this is simply talking about women and Nyssa who don't menstruate [21:35] that's the tough see he gives Abu Saud he mentions in his stuff see that this dimension no mention of anything to do with girls little girls or anything he just says is to do with women old age stuff like that now once again if not I fear the same thing you know it's just women old age those women who don't men straight stuff like this well do we have a problem first of all what is the challenge because I want to steal man not strong man these people's arguments the steel mine argue ## Cite Mufti Abu Layth Archive, segment T-X4Lyns2vE/s/6. https://muftiabulayth.org/r/t-x4lyns2ve/s/6/ Not a fatwa: these answers were given to specific people at specific times. 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