# Who transmitted the hadith 'whoever changes his religion, kill him', and does the Quran punish apostasy? *Abdullah Sameer's post that the Quran allows paedophilia, leaving Islam, and the Khariji transmitter of the apostasy hadith* - URL: https://muftiabulayth.org/r/t-x4lyns2ve/s/1/ - Date: 2019-07-25 · Kind: lesson · Transcript tier: machine · Recording: A Reply to Abdullah Sameer's Allegation: The Quran Teaches Paedophilia | Mufti Abu Layth (0:00–5:07) - Status: general teaching - Watch from the start of the segment: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-X4Lyns2vE&t=0s - Recording page: https://muftiabulayth.org/r/t-x4lyns2ve/ **Topics:** Apostasy and blasphemy; Narrator criticism; Atheists and polemicists **Summary (not a quotation; machine-made, unchecked):** Mufti Abu Layth says the Quran is ambivalent about those who leave Islam and that the call to kill apostates is nonsense; the report 'whoever changes his religion, kill him' in Bukhari rests solely on Ikrima, a Khariji whom Imam Malik and Ibn Umar distrusted. He introduces Abdullah Sameer's post as the subject he will answer. **Checked position (checked by two independent reviews, not by the channel):** Mufti Abu Layth holds that the Quran is ambivalent towards those who leave Islam and prescribes no killing of apostates, and that the report 'whoever changes his religion, kill him' rests solely on Ikrima, a Khariji whom Imam Malik and companions distrusted. **Evidence, his words at 1:18:** “really the attitude of the Quran is one of ambivalence it doesn't really care although people act like oh my god kill the apostate kill the apostate that's all nonsense” (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-X4Lyns2vE&t=78s) ## Longer summary At a viewer's prompting Mufti Abu Layth brings up a Facebook post by Abdullah Sameer, an ex-Muslim, claiming that the Quran allows paedophilia on the strength of a verse and a list of commentators, and says he wants to respond. He first says he has no problem with the growing number of ex-Muslims: people are free to leave, he is not insecure about Islam, and the Quran's attitude to those who leave is one of ambivalence, so the cry to kill the apostate is nonsense. He calls it a tragedy that the Sunni giants of hadith had a soft spot for the Khawarij, whom he describes as the extremist, hateful fathers of ISIS who regarded most companions as disbelievers, arranged the killing of Ali, tried to kill Mu'awiya and Amr ibn al-As, and were the first major internal threat Islam faced; the same scholars were vocal against the Shia, the Mu'tazila or those who said the Quran was created, but tolerant of Khariji narrators. He says Ikrima, a Khariji with a position among them, is the sole transmitter in Bukhari of the report 'whoever changes his religion, kill him', that Imam Malik disliked him and did not want people transmitting from him, that Ibn Umar and other companions spoke of him as bloodthirsty, and that it is from Ikrima that the claim that Ali burnt people for changing their religion comes. He asks whether a teaching about killing would be accepted from ISIS, and says Muslims have slipped up on this before returning to the subject. ## Sources and names cited - Abdullah Sameer - Khawarij - ISIS - Ikrima - report: whoever changes his religion kill him - Sahih al-Bukhari - Imam Malik - Ibn Umar - Ali ibn Abi Talib - Mu'awiya ibn Abi Sufyan - Amr ibn al-As ## Transcript (machine tier, 0:00–5:07) [0:00] since now somebody has said let's take a look at this this Abdullah Samir I'm just trying to bring this up here as well now Abdullah Samir who is an ex-muslim now he has a Facebook post about I mean somebody brought it to my attention so I saw about the Quran allows pedophilia and then he's quoting a verse in the Quran and he's quoting a lot of [0:39] commentators so I'd like to respond to this now first of all I would like to say I do from there's several X Muslims and they do seem to be growing in number and I personally don't have a problem with people if they want to leave the faith that's entirely up to them it doesn't bother me I'm not insecure about Islam in any way if people want to be Muslim great that's great I'm the life they don't want to be Muslim fine you know to me I'm to Islam it doesn't actually bother Islam and contrary to popular opinion the Quran [1:18] really the attitude of the Quran is one of ambivalence it doesn't really care although people act like oh my god kill the apostate kill the apostate that's all nonsense it's a tragedy in Islam that we you know I'll assume neither Sony had the scholars and giants and legends of hadith took had a soft spot in their hearts when he came to the Huaraz you know the extremist hateful butch of [1:55] this early OMA those the kind of fathers of Isis who known as the Huaraz they hated the Companions considered most the Companions to be Co far disbelievers they are the people who arranged she martyred said Ali Road Ilan and they tried to kill cinema alia or the alarm they tried to kill Amer ignore us or they allow on they didn't manage to kill them successfully but they killed other people and they butchered they were ruthless the Hawara CH they would the [2:35] first major internal threat that Islam faced now the tragedy is that Sonny had the Giants and legends seem to have had a I don't know why but a soft spot in their heart when it came to the Huaraz like they seem to accept this stuff and they seem to say oh yeah but they're okay but you see that this is interesting but if it was a Shia a lot of the times they wouldn't they be very vocal against the Shia later on or they're very vocal against the martyrs [3:13] illa or they're very vocal against people who said the Quran was created for example but when it came to the Hawara jus considered it okay to shed blood and kill people and do all of this they seem to be kind of like mmm he's a good guy but I'm serious like a coma a coma is a Hawaiian she's from the Hajj and he transmits this hadith that whosoever is the sole transmitter of this hadith in bihari that whosoever changes his religion [3:50] kill him I mean tell me something if Isis said that if Isis said oh he is a teaching to do with killing would you take it from them now here is a transmitter who is no Imam Malik this was the reason in my management like a trauma and he didn't like the fact that people took from him and he said and even OMA and other companions openly didn't they spoke against this person that he was bloodthirsty that he was one of them and he wasn't just a he was like and lead here he had a [4:29] position amongst the haulage but anyway and he transmits check this out and they used to hate Ali early on he says Ali burnt people to death because they changed their religion and we're gonna take his word for it but anyway so so that's that's on us as Muslims we've we've kind of slipped up on that but anyway I wanted to say that look optimist I mean I was before I guess her sidetrack too much I actually think I do feel he's genuine I do have ## Cite Mufti Abu Layth Archive, segment T-X4Lyns2vE/s/1. https://muftiabulayth.org/r/t-x4lyns2ve/s/1/ Not a fatwa: these answers were given to specific people at specific times. 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