# Why do Quranists reject the Islamic tradition as a whole? *'Your tradition' or the Islamic tradition? Flaws, who 'we' are, and a first sign-off* - URL: https://muftiabulayth.org/r/onzjd7xmdhe/s/29/ - Date: 2025-10-18 · Kind: discussion · Transcript tier: machine · Recording: Br Muhammad MFG | Quranist Only Belief - A Dialogue | MindTrap #82 - Mufti Abu Layth (2:24:01–2:31:09) - Status: latest answer on its topic; a view quoted in order to be discussed, not a position held - Watch from the start of the segment: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONzjD7XMDhE&t=8641s - Recording page: https://muftiabulayth.org/r/onzjd7xmdhe/ **Topics:** Quran-only movement; Dawah and debate culture; Guest conversations **Summary (not a quotation; machine-made, unchecked):** The guest says Quranists differ in interpretation but agree that the Islamic tradition is riddled with errors, and that Mufti Abu Layth's BukhariGate work leads people to Quranism; Mufti says the guest's own prayer choices came from the tradition and objects to disrespect towards the people of the mosque. ## Longer summary Mufti Abu Layth says the discussion of the application of Islam, beginning with salah, showed that many of the guest's choices were themselves taught through the tradition. The guest says Mufti reads between the lines of his game plan while forbidding him to judge intentions; Mufti says he is describing strategy, not intention. The guest says he can appeal only to the Quran whereas Mufti appeals to 'your tradition', which he says is not disrespect but fact, and Mufti notes that the guest refused to call it the Islamic tradition. The guest says Quranists have found many errors and holes in that tradition and that it does not align with the Quranic narrative, so it is safer not to go through guesswork; Mufti asks who 'we' is if every Quranist has his own interpretation, and the guest says they differ in interpretation but unanimously see the tradition's flaws, since what is part of the religion God would have preserved. He again asks why two of Mufti's prayers are silent, and answers that it is because the man in the mosque said so; Mufti says there is no point being disrespectful and begins to sign off, thanking the guest for a fruitful if heated and passionate discussion. The guest says Mufti's channel and BukhariGate have been a stepping stone for people who end up at his own channel, that his viewers have watched Quranists be interrogated many times while receiving no answers about the tradition, and that Mufti has still not answered his question about the silent prayers. ## Sources and names cited - Br Muhammad (MFG, MuhammadFromGod channel) - Sahih al-Bukhari ## Transcript (machine tier, 2:24:01–2:31:09) [2:23:55] So but quite simply quite simply I would disagree. Mhm. Yeah you have been I disagree. Yeah because let's just so today's discussion has shown look some of the conversations we got into especially the application of Islam. We began with salah. A lot of the things you chose were all taught through the tradition you mate right that you just include before. [2:24:25] No, I've been allowing you please allow me. Sure. Go on then. Okay. So what you were trying to present earlier with what exactly you're presenting now which you said that I wasn't allowed to uh to read between the lines on what you're saying. So you're allowed to read between the lines not to judge my intention. No the problem I don't care about your intention. I'm trying to but you're judging my intention saying I don't care but then staying in between I'm judging your intention and then I don't care about it's not about the intention. [2:24:58] It is about the game. It's about the game plan. Yes I understand the game plan. So so okay cool. So the game plan is to show that that you are judging the intention. It's not the intention. It is the game plan. No, your strategy. I don't know if you're being I don't know if you're being ill intended or if you're meaning for good. That is not for me to know. But I could see the game plan and the way that is being played out. [2:25:24] So I can foresee it. And the the thing that bothered me is that when I'm trying to clarify my position, I just see you pushing on your game plan. And it I understand why. But let me just simply show you what the biggest difference is. You can appeal to your tradition. You your tradition. And I'm sorry that I have to say that because it's not mine. You can appeal to your tradition and you can It's not disrespectful. It is yours. [2:25:48] It's not mine. Disrespectful. I never said it's disrespectful. What I said to you earlier on was you were refusing. Refusing to call it the Islamic tradition. Please God, let me just finish a point. God, please let me finish a point. So when you're talking about this very tired now, I take it. No, man. Because it's like because this is your whole point. I understand how this works. I understand the psychology of people with you. But that's fine. I'm actually being quite patient with you and I should have left a long time ago. [2:26:14] But the thing that I was trying to say very simply is that the tradition that you'reing the tradition that you're appealing to, let me finish. Let me finish the point. Thank you. So the tradition that you're appealing to, we found many errors in it. You ever finish a point? You don't you don't allow me. You You're the one who sits and talks for good 10 minutes, 15 minutes explaining and overanalyzing and and waffling. bit of joyful humor between brothers. [2:26:38] But I would like to I would like to actually for like actually finish a point without you having to interrupt. I think a whole lot of humanity wants you to finish that point. Okay, cool. So as I was saying the tradition that you keep applying to aligning to or appealing to we find holes in it and we find it not aligning with the Quranic narrative. So it is safer for us to not go through guess work and to apply. When you say we, you said all of the Quranis have their own interpretation. [2:27:04] So who's the wei then? But we are we in unison don't accept the nonsense that we you said we all disagree when all Quranists have our own take. So who's the we? Yes. Us Quranists as you wanted say that they all agree with your with your interpretation when you said they all have their own interpretation. God God tells us about the people who are deaf, dumb and blind because they can't listen. So I'm proving to the world that on the other end that I was actually capable of following the conversation. [2:27:33] I'm not saying we that we're all in the same interpretation. We're saying we that we deny your tradition because we unanimously see the flaws in your tradition. So that's why it's not necessary because if it's part of religion, God would have preserved it. You said we don't want to contradict the Quran. We we said we all disagree in our interpretation. So how could you all see? No, we all we all agree that your tradition is flawed. That's what we're we How can you all agree in the factors when you all disagree in your interpretations? [2:28:05] As if you guys are in agreement with your interpretations. No, but I never made that claim. You just made I never made that claim. You just said we Please prove it. No, I said we are in agreement that your tradition is wrong. That's the the tradition you want to appeal to. We've seen so much errors in it that it's wrong. Sure. Sure. So, no. because of the things that are saying are yes it's against the Quran exactly so you there's two prayers in your tradition of the Quran that's fine that is okay in the book of God in the book in the book of god in the book of god these difference interpretations is [2:28:44] understandable it is part of it but when it comes down to tradition you're negating the verses of the god so when we talked about prayer I gave you an example which you didn't answer why are two of your pray prayers You're silent when God told you not to. Oh, because daddy in the mosque told us though. But that's not what the prophet gave you because prophet told you do not be silent in the in your prayers. See now look ju see just at the end. See you did so well at the end. [2:29:09] You just got there because daddy and the master there's no point being disrespectful to the people because look obviously that's not going to get people anywhere. Uh especially in a dialogue like this. Look I take look I want to say once again Shukran for taking your time out. It has been a very uh I would say a very fruitful discussion. It's been very engaging. Although it's had a lot of energy and passion, but that's because you're bringing passion to the table, Auna. [2:29:35] You must be like, "Oh, I've got passion. I'm bringing it to the table. I like it." You have given a lot of your time and I do apologize for beginning late once again. Right. So, Muhammad Auna, uh may Allah, you know, uh bless you. May he bless us all. May he bless you with the understanding. uh you know may he guide us all right Shukran for taking the time out and expl explaining these things um yeah right so I'm sure we'll have a channel of communication and maybe many of your followers have benefited from this discussion as well that's beautiful why people why people like to go to your channel because thank [2:30:15] you for the work that you're doing you've been a great stepping stone for people to come to us that's that's the truth so this is why people wanted to have a conversation everyone one keeps appealing to how great Bkari Gate is. uh there's some things they don't agree with you and then they eventually see my channel and then they say thank god that uh that you were there in the process to wake them up to what maybe many of them will watch this where we've actually had a dialogue and you know they'll take a lot of yeah trust me you can actually see where you know we're because it's it's like you've said that you know we we have a tradition and which you can't be questioned about right [2:30:53] no we usual because the people watches my people people who watch my channel, they they've seen this countless of times where we get interrogated many many questions on how we apply the Quran. And it's not like we're not quoting things outside of the Quran, we're quoting the Quran. And then when it comes down to asking a simple question about your traditions, we get no answers, nor do we get a room to ask. So it proves that it's just an undercutting defeater and it's not actual uh an exposition. ## Cite Mufti Abu Layth Archive, segment ONzjD7XMDhE/s/29. https://muftiabulayth.org/r/onzjd7xmdhe/s/29/ Not a fatwa: these answers were given to specific people at specific times. Ask a qualified scholar about your own situation.