# If most people love praise and are punished, how is God the most merciful? *Will most people be punished? Mercy, 'most are mushrikun' and the will of God* - URL: https://muftiabulayth.org/r/onzjd7xmdhe/s/26/ - Date: 2025-10-18 · Kind: discussion · Transcript tier: machine · Recording: Br Muhammad MFG | Quranist Only Belief - A Dialogue | MindTrap #82 - Mufti Abu Layth (2:10:46–2:14:00) - Status: latest answer on its topic; a view quoted in order to be discussed, not a position held - Watch from the start of the segment: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONzjD7XMDhE&t=7846s - Recording page: https://muftiabulayth.org/r/onzjd7xmdhe/ **Topics:** Salvation and non-Muslims; Free will and destiny; Quran-only movement **Summary (not a quotation; machine-made, unchecked):** The guest says most people are mushrikun according to the Quran and that God is merciful in giving them messengers and exits, so those who refuse to reason deserve punishment; guidance follows the attributes God has set, not chance. ## Longer summary Mufti Abu Layth asks whether the guest does not find this the opposite of merciful, and where the voice of reason has gone, and whether the people described are not most people. The guest says they are not believers; most people are mushrikun, as the Quran says most do not believe in God without associating others with him, so God has already placed the majority of the world on the back foot, but he is extremely merciful and tolerant, giving them many exits, messengers, the message and warnings, and those who refuse to listen or reason and argue against his verses deserve punishment, as the destroyed peoples did. Mufti says everything is by the will of Allah; the guest replies that God has set the attributes of those he wills to guide, those who listen, turn to him, do not lie and observe his word, and of those he wills not to guide, the liars, the arrogant and those who turn away, so it is not random. Mufti says he did not raise the verse to go into the destiny debate. ## Sources and names cited - Br Muhammad (MFG, MuhammadFromGod channel) - Quran 12:106 (most of them do not believe in Allah without associating others with Him): https://quran.com/12/106 - shirk ## Transcript (machine tier, 2:10:46–2:14:00) [2:10:34] no I mentioned both I said by achievement of whether it's wealth or whatever by accomplishment and by that which you've not done you find joy in being praised for it in being praised for it. Perfect. They love like being praised, right? Yeah. You have a painful punishment from God that you will be punished by God for that. Yes. Yes. You don't you don't find that to be the opposite of merciful. [2:10:58] No. Because God is telling you right here that's what happened to the voice. What happened to the voice of reason? How is 100% that is because the thing that God presenting to you God is presenting to you those individuals that are buying into the worldly life. Those are the people who are say worldly life. Yeah. They just But is that not most people? [2:11:24] Is that not most people? Sure. Sure. Sure. Is it? So, so you feel Allah is the whole message of the Quran. God God is saying to you that it's okay for you to walk into the land, right? Is that what you're saying? Right. So, look. No, no, no. We can we can we're just taking one verse out of isolation and we're going to focus on this. We're not going to use the Quran to explain the Quran. No, you because you asked. Look, of course he is. [2:11:49] Is this not most people? Is this not most people? No. Not believers. Believers most people don't feel most hell, aren't they? Most people are mushiks. Most most of the people okay see what I mean God has already God has already put the majority of the world on the back foot I didn't do that but God is extremely merciful and extremely tolerant he merciful how is that extremely merciful because he has given them so many everyone most of the world is on the back foot but he has given them so many exits on the he's going to punish most people of his [2:12:28] creation how is he the most merciful Uh, is he or he's not? You just said that most people are all mushri and fick and going to hell. I didn't say that. Did I say that? God is saying that. I'm using the verses of the Quran. What's that mean? The majority will not believe in God except they are mushiks. So relying on things other than God, associating to God. That's what God. [2:12:53] How is that making Allah the most merciful? God God is tolerating them and he's allowing them to carry on and he's giving them the books and he's giving them punishment is because they didn't choose to listen or reason and they argue against the verses of God. So they're worthy of the punishment. They have been given messengers. They have been given the message. They have been given the warning. They have been told who they are and they just don't listen. They just want to go on with what they found their forefathers doing and they end up falling. [2:13:22] It's very simple. That's why they got all destroyed for us. And but isn't that also by the verse? But everything is by the will of Allah. So Allah is Yeah. But perfect. Yeah. Yeah. So okay. So God has put the attributes for somebody to be a believer. That's what God has willed for. So somebody who listens, somebody who turns to God, somebody who doesn't lie, somebody who who who observes the word of God, those people, that's who God has willed to guide. [2:13:51] If somebody's a liar, if somebody's arrogant, if somebody turns away or doesn't listen those that's who God has willed to not guide. That's why God says so you see these are these are standards that God has put that's because it's not random, right? So look no so obviously it leads to that same argument. You see my the reason I highlighted this was not to go into the destiny talk but it was to highlight that look one of from what I understood and maybe I understood it inaccurately that look one of the key uh reasons I'm assuming or the kind of uh ## Cite Mufti Abu Layth Archive, segment ONzjD7XMDhE/s/26. https://muftiabulayth.org/r/onzjd7xmdhe/s/26/ Not a fatwa: these answers were given to specific people at specific times. Ask a qualified scholar about your own situation.