# The Creed of Tahawi is not the Quran; Ash'aris do not make takfir of ahl al-qiblah

- URL: https://muftiabulayth.org/r/nhzyu3bkbwe/s/34/
- Date: 2018-03-13 · Kind: lesson · Transcript tier: machine · Recording: PRELUDE: Why There Is NO 2nd Coming Of Jesus (as) In Islam- Mufti Abu Layth (2:06:11–2:08:49)
- Status: general teaching
- Watch from the start of the segment: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHzYu3BKBWE&t=7571s
- Recording page: https://muftiabulayth.org/r/nhzyu3bkbwe/

**Topics:** Creed and the schools of theology; Sects, sectarianism and takfir; Responses to critics

**Summary (not a quotation; machine-made, unchecked):** Denying a line of Tahawi's creed is not kufr: Ibn Taymiyya rejected several of its points, it refutes whole Muslim groups, and Ash'ari creed forbids takfir of the people of the qiblah.

**Checked position (checked by two independent reviews, not by the channel):** Mufti Abu Layth says the Creed of al-Tahawi was written some 250 years after the Prophet and objects to treating the denial of a line of it as unbelief.

**Evidence, his words at 2:07:31:** “he's writing this almost at least over 250 years after the Prophet why is he such a great Hojo love a sudden you know we don't accept him in anything else” (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHzYu3BKBWE&t=7651s)

## Longer summary

Mufti Abu Layth says Elmasry declared that anyone who denies a line of the Creed of Tahawi is a kafir, and asks why denying Tahawi rather than the Quran should be kufr. He notes that Ibn Taymiyya problematised and rejected at least five points of the Tahawiyya, beginning with its definition of iman as excluding action and its use of the term al-qadim, without being called a kafir; that the creed refutes the Khawarij, the Mu'tazila and the Shia, so this standard would make them all kuffar; and that the Ash'ari creed these scholars claim is that one does not make takfir of the people of the qiblah, while the Tahawiyya is not even an Ash'ari text and was written over two hundred and fifty years after the Prophet. He then introduces the verse these scholars cite, 3:46, that Jesus will speak to people in the cradle and as a kahl, which Elmasry took to mean an old man and Maqbool as about forty years old.

## Sources and names cited

- al-Aqidah al-Tahawiyya
- al-Tahawi
- Ibn Taymiyya
- Shadee Elmasry
- Hamza Maqbool
- Quran 3:46: https://quran.com/3/46
- takfir

## Transcript (machine tier, 2:06:11–2:08:49)

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[2:06:51] let's say Mia problematized at least five different points of the Howie is he a kafir and he rejected them beginning with his definition of Iman because he doesn't go with the Jammu including action beginning to using with words like describing Alaska deem they rejected they rejected these notions so secondly the in Tahoe via there's several things these things refuting the Huaraz do you call the huar each kaffir and these things refuting the martyrs Allah do you call them kaffir there's things refuting the I do you call the Shia are kaffir so you declare everybody care for all of a sudden do you write where do you even get this from the Creed of ala Sunnah of

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[2:08:11] and by the way they use this verse of the Quran I heard both of them say this they say Allah says about Jesus in the Quran where you can live on NASA field Matthew what Carolyn well you cuddle him on NASA field Matthew well Carolyn and he will speak to people from in the cradle and as a grown man and Carl and Carol and check this out they say Carl means an old man in her be sure Hans I'm a fool at least had some decency to kind of rein it in a bit like he said oh it means about 40 years old what's his name Shadia master he just went off and said it means an old man because I think in cloacal Arabic today they might use it as an old man well guess what this is an Inc local

## Cite

Mufti Abu Layth Archive, segment NHzYu3BKBWE/s/34. https://muftiabulayth.org/r/nhzyu3bkbwe/s/34/

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