# Ibn Ashur, al-Shatibi and Ibn Khaldun on the Mahdi: a discussion within Islam

- URL: https://muftiabulayth.org/r/nhzyu3bkbwe/s/32/
- Date: 2018-03-13 · Kind: lesson · Transcript tier: machine · Recording: PRELUDE: Why There Is NO 2nd Coming Of Jesus (as) In Islam- Mufti Abu Layth (2:00:56–2:03:34)
- Status: general teaching
- Watch from the start of the segment: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHzYu3BKBWE&t=7256s
- Recording page: https://muftiabulayth.org/r/nhzyu3bkbwe/

**Topics:** Dajjal, Mahdi and the signs; The second coming of Jesus; Creed and the schools of theology

**Summary (not a quotation; machine-made, unchecked):** Ibn Ashur, al-Shatibi and Ibn Khaldun all problematised the Mahdi reports and treated such matters as information rather than creed; Mufti Abu Layth says the return of Jesus is a discussion within Islam.

**Checked position (checked by two independent reviews, not by the channel):** Mufti Abu Layth holds that the Mahdi and the return of Jesus are matters of Islamic information open to discussion within Islam, not creed, as Ibn Ashur and al-Sha'rawi held.

**Evidence, his words at 2:02:24:** “my whole thing of putting this out there is to say look people this is a discussion within Islam” (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHzYu3BKBWE&t=7344s)

## Longer summary

Mufti Abu Layth says he has done nothing different from presenting what scholars have said. He cites Ibn Ashur, Shaykh al-Islam and Grand Mufti of the Malikis and an inspiration to him, who in his book Tahqiqat wa Anzar [?] finds the Mahdi material insufficient and faulty; al-Shatibi, who in al-I'tisam [?] held that the Mahdi is Jesus himself, since both are said to fill the earth with justice; and Ibn Khaldun, who in the Muqaddimah brings all twenty-eight Mahdi hadith and shows their problems. He says Ibn Ashur classed these matters as Islamic information to be read and discussed, not creed, and that Shaykh al-Sha'rawi, who believed in the second coming, likewise said it is not part of aqidah. He concludes that this is a discussion within Islam and that the more people claim it is clearly proven in the Quran and never disputed, the more they will fall flat as people discover otherwise. He then names Shaykh Hamza Maqbool and Shaykh Shadee Elmasry as scholars whose approach has disappointed him.

## Sources and names cited

- Ibn Ashur
- al-Shatibi
- Ibn Khaldun
- Muhammad Mutawalli al-Sha'rawi
- Hamza Maqbool
- Shadee Elmasry
- al-Muqaddimah (Ibn Khaldun)
- al-I'tisam [?] (al-Shatibi)
- Tahqiqat wa Anzar [?] (Ibn Ashur)
- Mahdi
- report: the mahdi will fill the earth with justice

## Transcript (machine tier, 2:00:56–2:03:34)

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[2:01:08] they're doing something what makes sense to them and I've done nothing different I've just presented what these wanna have said you know that these will amount of questioned these things and people like if not assured who is the shell Islam of his time he was the Grand Mufti of the Maliki I'm Maliki he's an inspiration to me he writes in his book tactic art one thought he brings the thing on the matter and he says that the Manatee thing is insufficient it's not it doesn't qualify it like he finds that this faults in in all the hadith on the Mahdi and the interesting thing is before him hundreds of years even the hold on the Maliki

[2:01:45] found folks in order the Mahdi thing I'm shot to be the great Maliki scholar said that the Mahdi he said that the Mahdi was supposed to be Jesus there is no other man T because the hadith says all the matter will come and fill the earth with justice but then the hadith says Jesus will come and fill the earth with justice so it doesn't really make any sense because why is everybody just coming and filling it with justice I mean that doesn't make any sense he's coming and filling it with justice he's coming filling it with justice hey once ok so he felt that look in his aorta Psalm that's how he kind of alludes to that understanding that Jesus is the Mahdi now the point is all these people

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[2:03:03] there is to say look people this is a discussion within Islam and the more you keep lying the more you're gonna fall flat on your face because the more you keep saying this is clearly proven in the Quran and nobody disagreed with this people are gonna start finding out they did disagree with this and this isn't proven in the Quran and Sunnah you know I heard chef this a few scholars now Sheikh Hamza bull chef shaadi al Masri you know apart from the fact that chef shaadi atmosphere I'm just arson I am very I mean some of these scholars look what it is I'm very disappointed in their approach really because these

## Cite

Mufti Abu Layth Archive, segment NHzYu3BKBWE/s/32. https://muftiabulayth.org/r/nhzyu3bkbwe/s/32/

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