# Isn't the return of Jesus established by ijma and mutawatir hadith? *Isn't this ijma and mutawatir? Consensus on consensus and selective tawatur* - URL: https://muftiabulayth.org/r/nhzyu3bkbwe/s/24/ - Date: 2018-03-13 · Kind: question · Transcript tier: machine · Recording: PRELUDE: Why There Is NO 2nd Coming Of Jesus (as) In Islam- Mufti Abu Layth (1:33:26–1:37:20) - Status: general teaching - Watch from the start of the segment: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHzYu3BKBWE&t=5606s - Recording page: https://muftiabulayth.org/r/nhzyu3bkbwe/ **Topics:** Mutawatir and certainty; Legal theory and method; The second coming of Jesus **Question as asked:** People keep saying this is ijma and mutawatir hadith. **Summary (not a quotation; machine-made, unchecked):** There is no consensus on what ijma is, and tawatur is applied selectively: the same scholars reject the Gospels, Hindu miracle reports and Shia transmissions that would qualify by their own definition. **Checked position (checked by two independent reviews, not by the channel):** Mufti Abu Layth holds that there is no consensus on what consensus is, that ijma began as collective assurance rather than a source of Sharia, and that accepting only one's own mutawatir while rejecting others' is inconsistent. **Evidence, his words at 1:34:37:** “secondly there is no consensus on what consensus it's absurd there is no this is one of those myths” (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHzYu3BKBWE&t=5677s) ## Longer summary Mufti Abu Layth notes that hadith contradict each other and the Quran at times and says this backdrop was needed to show where he comes from, as a critical review scholars before him have made. He then takes the objection that the return of Jesus is ijma and mutawatir. He explains that ijma means a consensus of everyone who counts, that one of its conditions is the absence of a Quran or Sunnah text on the issue, that there is no consensus on what consensus is, and that in his view, set out in an earlier video, ijma began as collective assurance rather than a source of Sharia. On tawatur he says scholars such as Ibn Hajar define it so that even non-Muslims count as transmitters, yet the same scholars will not accept the Gospels as mutawatir, nor the thousands of alleged eyewitnesses to Sathya Sai Baba's miracles, nor the Shia's mutawatir transmission that Umar and Abu Bakr oppressed Fatima, so the broad claim collapses into accepting only their own mutawatir. ## Sources and names cited - ijma' - mutawatir - Ibn Hajar al-Asqalani ## Transcript (machine tier, 1:33:26–1:37:20) [1:33:21] encapsulated sooner but Sunnah is also through other practices through the fifth through the teachings but we have to be careful because the hadeeth contradict each other at times and if they contradict the Quran if they contradict reason they contradict the principles of Islam that is a problem so these things are important this is a backdrop I had to kind of mention these people because there were too many people kind of saying and that look what what is all this background to what you're saying so look where I'm coming from I'm not here well lollie I'm not here as you know you could say whatever [1:33:59] you but a mind about you know whatever you want about me I don't mind you know it doesn't bother me but I'm not here to kind of say oh I'm here to misguide people take them to the Hellfire do this do this do this do this I'm not I'm just showing you a critical review that people before me have said ok that ulema before me have said now look people I want to highlight this point people keep saying this is MA and motiva tell hadith each ma I'm not to water happy first of all for those people who don't understand what that means each ma means a consensus and it's supposed to be a consensus of all Muslims who count so anybody who's [1:34:37] anybody is supposed to have agreed and that makes a consensus by the way from the conditions of consensus is is the fact that there's no Quran and Sunnah in this issue because what's the point of having consensus if this Quran and Sunnah so that's actually from the condition secondly there is no consensus on what consensus it's absurd there is no this is one of those myths and I've got a video you can watch my video it's a clip on YouTube what is Iijima and what do I believe how the each map began each map began not as a source of Sharia like this but as a collective assurity and I've got a video [1:35:17] explaining that you can watch that thing but this thing of each map people will quote each man what and they'll quote tor tor tor tor means so many people have said this hadith that it's impossible to be a lie you know what's funny what's funny people and I want you to pay attention yeah what's funny is that they say in their definitions of tor tor like even a higher and all these people say that you don't even need to be a Muslim to transmit something in motiroti for it to be so many people have said this it has to be true they say you don't even need to be Muslim so I asked him why don't you accept the Gospels from the Christians they say it's more [1:35:56] to watch it they say no no no no no no no no no no so say okay well why don't you accept the hindu miracles you know i've quoted before sathya sai baba from india who had his miracles were performed in front of thousands and thousands of people allegedly and they all eye witnesses to his miracles and to his splendor and his miraculous nature and him being vishnu incarnate or whatever the whole belief why don't you accept that no no no no but this thousands not even tens or fourteen is thousands thousands of [1:36:34] people witnessing Sathya Sai Baba no no no okay okay okay shantoriya shantoriya prabhu i don't know that yet let's get a bit closer to Islam okay what about the Shia why don't you accept that the Shia are transmitted that Oh Omar and Abu Bakr oppressed for tomorrow Ilana why don't you accept their transmission they say it's not a water from these sources no no yeah but these are Shia and you say you even accept careful and Shia slim so why don't you accept no no no no [1:37:13] no it's wrong it's wrong but they're saying it's not about it no no we don't accept the a motor water we only accept our motor water it's like well oh well that was great wasn't it you began with this broad claim of we embrace everybody's motor water and then you don't accept the non-muslims you don't accept and then forget that what about Shia are they Muslim at least you know do you accept a Shias motor water type no with onyx of the Shia and do you know what's interesting people check this out there is a hadith in Bukhari in this societies by the chains here by this standard that fatima was angry with Abu ## Cite Mufti Abu Layth Archive, segment NHzYu3BKBWE/s/24. https://muftiabulayth.org/r/nhzyu3bkbwe/s/24/ Not a fatwa: these answers were given to specific people at specific times. Ask a qualified scholar about your own situation.