# Why hadith, not the Quran or fiqh, was corrupted: Umar ibn Abd al-Aziz, Zuhri and forged chains

- URL: https://muftiabulayth.org/r/nhzyu3bkbwe/s/23/
- Date: 2018-03-13 · Kind: lesson · Transcript tier: machine · Recording: PRELUDE: Why There Is NO 2nd Coming Of Jesus (as) In Islam- Mufti Abu Layth (1:26:52–1:33:26)
- Status: general teaching
- Watch from the start of the segment: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHzYu3BKBWE&t=5212s
- Recording page: https://muftiabulayth.org/r/nhzyu3bkbwe/

**Topics:** Hadith collections and their history; False and fabricated hadith; Sunnah versus hadith

**Summary (not a quotation; machine-made, unchecked):** Mufti Abu Layth holds that early opponents corrupted hadith, not the Quran or fiqh, in the century before chains were demanded; this is why Malik relied on inherited practice and treated isolated reports as information, not creed.

**Checked position (checked by two independent reviews, not by the channel):** Mufti Abu Layth holds that people hostile to Islam brought the belief in Jesus's return in as Christian propaganda through hadith, which went undocumented for about a century and whose chains could be copied, and that this is why Imam Malik told people to rely on inherited practice over isolated reports.

**Evidence, his words at 1:27:32:** “would you not attack Islam ideologically would you not put propaganda you would and that's what these people have done they did that they brought in their Christian baggage” (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHzYu3BKBWE&t=5252s)

## Longer summary

Mufti Abu Layth asks listeners to think as someone who wanted to harm Islam in its first century: military attack was risky against an empire spanning three continents, so the attack would be ideological propaganda, and he says this is what happened when converts brought in their Christian baggage, the return of Jesus being a win-win belief for them. He argues the Quran was too hard to corrupt because it was taught everywhere, avoids detail and has a rhythm and eloquence that forgeries could not match, and fiqh was being documented with too many students around, so the target was hadith, where one could simply say the Prophet said something. He recounts that Umar ibn Abd al-Aziz commissioned al-Zuhri and Abu Bakr ibn Hazm [?] to collect hadith around the year 101 because, he says, so many had been made up for and against the Umayyads and Damascus, and that only a decade or two later did Ibn Sirin and Ibn al-Mubarak demand chains because too many people were lying about the Prophet. He says that once chains existed a forger needed only to copy one, which is why Malik warned that one-from-one transmission would snatch the religion away and pointed to the collected inherited practice, treating such reports as Islamic information rather than creed. He cites Sufyan ibn Uyayna that hadith is misguidance except for the fuqaha and Ibn Wahb that one is not an imam until one knows what to take and leave from hadith, and repeats that he calls to the Quran and Sunnah.

## Sources and names cited

- Umar ibn Abd al-Aziz
- Ibn Shihab al-Zuhri
- Abu Bakr ibn Hazm [?]
- Ibn Sirin
- Abdullah ibn al-Mubarak
- Imam Malik
- Sufyan ibn Uyayna
- Ibn Wahb

## Transcript (machine tier, 1:26:52–1:33:26)

[1:26:13] discussion on this but look but it happened can you believe that that would happen it happened shortly after Medina the city of the profits run sacked could this happen it happen the Kaaba is catapulted why am I saying these things the cowbell was catapulted you would think if somebody catapulted the Kaaba all Muslims would go mad no it happened so once all this is happening this is what probably six decades from the lifetime of the Prophet yet listen to my words yet Islam would have to live an

[1:26:52] entire double lifetime a double life time before hadith gets documented before hadith gets documented so put yourself in that place put yourself in that place if you had an issue with Islam let's put ourselves in the minds of people who had an issue with Islam right what would you corrupt if you wanted to corrupt something would you attack Islam militarily and people did that they murdered us man got all these things done but that's that's like war very risky slums very powerful it's an empire it's ruled is stretched across to three

[1:27:32] continents already it's like whoa you know do I really want to mess with militarily what would you do would you not attack Islam ideologically would you not put propaganda you would and that's what these people have done they did that they brought in their Christian baggage this was such a fundamental belief that if Muslims can accept Jesus Christ everybody will will come to Jesus Christ at the end of time happened a lie was a win-win for them and they got it through now look you might say you might say to me yeah but that's a look because would you attack the Quran if you were let's get ourselves in their mind would you

[1:28:12] attack the Quran if you're in their day and age it's too difficult to attack the Quran why because look a few reasons one the and everywhere is teaching people are teaching it to their kids - the Quran doesn't go into so much detail about issues so if you wanted to corrupt the Quran is difficult because it doesn't it's not from the nature of the Quran to mention details about things thirdly the Quran has a rhythm to it so if you wanted to introduce things which people did try by the way like The Satanic Verses they did try to introduce verses but it's hard because you got a match that

[1:28:50] rhythm you got to match that eloquence you got a match that it's too difficult would you try to corrupt thick because thick was getting documented no because look to say Imam Malik said this emotion if I said this to lie about them doesn't make a difference because not everybody accepts them as an authority and they've got too many students around so what would you corrupt let's be honest if put yourself there in their shoes you'd corrupt the heavy you just say oh the prophet of God said this and that is what happened unfortunately now look o my ribbon Abdulaziz the great you know

[1:29:30] Calif may Allah have mercy on him in his time commission the teacher of Imam Malik so hurry by the way who behalf of these hadeeth come through Zoe Commission's re to compile heavy not to write the chains not to write it's not just to put them together read the discussion it's available it's in so many books why does he say to summary document the hadith he says to zuni so many people have made up hadith in favor of Bonny umeå and against Bernie Omega against Damascus and in favor of Damascus so many people have made up

[1:30:10] hadith please I want you to put them together in a book not in a black make documents collect the hadith he says this - sorry and so he begins not it's not yet the chain isn't being documented and also called the evening hasn't not the scholar Edna has embodiment exterior even handsome he's another person Commission now it 10 20 years after this is in one-on-one injury that's almost a hundred years after the profit that they're just being written together now yet it's gonna take another decade or

[1:30:48] two before as Imam Muslim shows people like even a serene April Mubarak starts saying look too many people are lying about the prophet Samuel Inari Telekom mentioned to us your chains of happy people if by the time chains are written over a hundred years from the prophets lifetime have not only passed but so many fake hadith have come about and people say year but you know there's a chain here but let's put ourselves in those people's shoes who want to make propaganda against Islam do you really think they were all like mentally

[1:31:25] handicapped mm-hmm that look like look imagine you're a person trying to work against Islam you want to corrupt Islam oh so the Muslims have introduced chains oh what can I do well it's simple just read one of the chains and pretend you heard it from them now what I just gotta say oh I heard yeah I heard it from him as well singing from him from him I mean that was a rocket science I hardly there was hardly quantum mechanics near people I mean what did that just take me a few seconds to figure it out you can all figure that out so this is why in my

[1:32:04] Malik was saying look one from one will snatch this thing from you go with the collected inherited practice these things these beliefs if not our rights is not from a man these things are what he called Islamic information this is information you take it if it clashes with other things and hamdulillah you know if you want to believe it that's fine but it doesn't it doesn't kind of go against I mean it doesn't mean that you know it's the core part of Islam okay so these things are very important I am NOT trying to erase people's trust from

[1:32:44] handy many of the early allama many of the early anima sophiana Buena Abner busy brings his transmission saying hadith Manila Ellen fokaha hadith or misguidance except for the learning scholars in my Malik himself says this one-on-one narration will snatch the Deen from you if not the bird says a person does not reach true him until he learns what to take and what to leave from hadith this is why people I call you as Imam Malik did to the Quran and Sunnah Quran and Sunnah hadith

[1:33:21] encapsulated sooner but Sunnah is also through other practices through the fifth through the teachings but we have to be careful because the hadeeth contradict each other at times and if they contradict the Quran if they contradict reason they contradict the principles of Islam that is a problem so these things are important this is a backdrop I had to kind of mention these people because there were too many people kind of saying and that look what what is all this background to what you're saying so look where I'm coming from I'm not here well lollie I'm not here as you know you could say whatever

## Cite

Mufti Abu Layth Archive, segment NHzYu3BKBWE/s/23. https://muftiabulayth.org/r/nhzyu3bkbwe/s/23/

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