# Was al-A'mash a reliable hadith narrator? *Al-A'mash as a narrator: tadlis from weak narrators* - URL: https://muftiabulayth.org/r/ngz8jo6o0f4/s/2/ - Date: 2018-07-08 · Kind: discussion · Transcript tier: machine · Recording: Reply to Sunni (Wahhabi) Defence Pt. II -Mufti Abu Layth (4:25–13:53) - Status: general teaching - Watch from the start of the segment: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NGz8JO6O0f4&t=265s - Recording page: https://muftiabulayth.org/r/ngz8jo6o0f4/ **Topics:** Narrator criticism; Responses to critics **Summary (not a quotation; machine-made, unchecked):** Mufti Abu Layth cites classical critics who say al-A'mash committed tadlis, sometimes hiding weak narrators, and made many mistakes. This does not mean every narration of his in Bukhari and Muslim is weak. ## Longer summary Mufti Abu Layth says he previously showed that the narrations of this hadith in Muslim, al-Bukhari and Ahmad centrally go through al-A'mash from Abu Salih [?] from Abu Hurayra, and that he set out the criticism of al-A'mash. He relates the presenter's objection that al-A'mash is a reliable narrator with over 500 hadith in the Sahihayn. He then explains tadlis, a narrator omitting a name in the chain so that it appears connected, and its three categories, the worst being dropping a weak narrator, which he calls misleading. He cites, through a heavily garbled transcript, statements attributed to Abdullah ibn al-Mubarak, al-Dhahabi, Ibn Abd al-Barr, Shu'ba and Ali ibn al-Madini that al-A'mash committed tadlis, including from weak narrators, and made many mistakes, and mocks the channel as a 'tadlis defence'. He says that the number of al-A'mash's narrations in the Sahihayn does not mean he claimed every one of them is weak. ## Sources and names cited - al-A'mash - Abu Hurayra - Abu Salih [?] - Sahih Muslim - Sahih al-Bukhari - Musnad Ahmad - tadlis (mudallis) - Abdullah ibn al-Mubarak [?] - al-Dhahabi - Ibn Abd al-Barr [?] - Shu'ba - Ali ibn al-Madini [?] - Sunni Defence (YouTube channel) ## Transcript (machine tier, 4:25–13:53) [3:44] right so this hadith which in one of my previous sessions and you can watch the whole segment it's on YouTube about religious blackmail is Haram like I've said that marital rape is categorically Haram and that includes religious blackmail so to say to somebody that you have to have sex with me otherwise God is gonna be angry with you is Haram you can't do this kind of stuff you can't use God to to gain favors or sexual favors from people that's sick right so now and the angels rule curse and so on and [4:24] so I've been through this hadith in the past I won't go through the whole thing I went through the rewire in Muslim of the old Bihari Adhamiya Ahmed and showed how they all centrally pretty much are based on a lavish who takes it from abu hassan from abu huraira and although i go into the other rewires as well but because a lot of them centrally are based on a lot much I showed the criticism to do with a lavish Suleiman and are mush now our friend here brother you know brother this one please please this one you know brother I think the brother is from Bahrain you know the [5:04] brother and I believe that he's not allowed to do the preaching in Bahrain you know this one so now oh he's not allowed to do it because this because all he does is just bash his Shia and obviously I think he's a bit scared you know in behind because the Shia you know they will then arrest him and then bash him back you know this one not nice you know so he's not allowed to preach him in Bahrain but anyway he's managed to [5:38] find time to dedicate it to me all right so what he did what he's done is he said how day Abu layth just because this hadith doesn't sit well with him and it's because he feels this inequality first of all is nothing to do with inequality this is to do with rape okay so let's get the thing clear rights nothing to do we're not just talking about an inequality would be a [6:16] problem anyway but this is much greater than that so he says how dare he criticized a lot much this is such a reliable narrator this narrator yet over 500 Edith you know 500 indeed in the street the Muslim and the Buhari brother oh well well my friend let me tell you this one you know we go to the we go to the kalam we go to the kalam this this way Bharati me amigo karate right so [6:53] we've got here an Amish what had people said about a lot much of the light nor Mubarak had said about him the enema earth said Allah after the hadith the AL Kufa the people who destroyed the hadith of al kufan was Abu is hawk and and quien man Hamish I must destroyed the huh okay but let's go on how much my [7:30] dear friends was a great mood Alice what does not Alice mean a model this is somebody who would omit names in the chain so if I'm narrating let's say I'm narrating something from let's say from Omar from Abdullah now I realize that Omar people may be there may be a problem with him or some people may not like him so there's different types of Ted lease but the one I want to get to that a lot misused to do is he will drop this name altogether this name of Omar [8:10] that may be problematic let's say as an example that people may say oh and they may go straight to Abdullah and this could be any person I'm just using a random name now because he assumes that people know I also took from Abdullah so people will assume that this is a connected chain but I've dropped a person in the middle now what do people say about at least now at least is of different categories you've got they usually branch it into three the third category being the worst of [8:49] its kind and that is where the person you drop in a myth is actually a week narrator so you've actually done this with malicious intent because you see if you did it benevolent like let's say I just dropped the name just because I just said it like I wasn't fast but even if I mentioned the name he's a sound narrator so you've got no problem with him that's of a lesser category because really I should be transparent and disclose everything but where I dropped the name and he's weak they that's massively problematic [9:24] because I'm misleading you okay now in testable kemal it's mentioned that Allah matched it at least on more than 20 of his teachers he did at least at least an actor Manoj arena Sharon one I had him and from one of them one of these particular 20 he did more than a hundred rewired a hundred narrations he did at least a hundred so it's not at least is not just a meeting somebody dropping them from the name but in this case it's [10:03] dropping problematic people and then connecting with another person his share who I'm also connected with so people assume I took it directly from him so if you see where I'm coming from right now what does the hubby say at the happy the hobby says Obama the lesser and I Eve that and at times he did at least from weak people from the eve what does Allah Allah he say in Germany or tassel and [10:42] what does even Apple bar say in the term he'd they say you deadly so I need the author he would do to the lease from weak narrators he would hide them and complete the chain to the lease from weak narrators they is why sure about who is called amirul mumineen appeal hadith said that Lisa's ha ha wait I gotta do this the proper you know the Pakistani when I saw style right there hey not just you then lease [11:17] on it the offer you don't lease on it [Laughter] and then Lee Swami the offer he would do it at least sorry yeah Delhi soon so Farid Almaden lease so SUNY defense should be actually called the lease defense right so trying to defend so they so offended how have I said that there's problems with a lavish look at [11:56] this the ll of thermally commentaries on this right they mentioned I lived on Medini mentions that he has it there up in some of his narrations and they mentioned Lisa be dark a lama she uploaded a llama check this out haha April Bharatha kita be Lila fake eatable ll an Aleve Malmedy me call an Amish cathedral one kathira wa huh a little [12:34] one you see one is like we make mistakes and but not just mistakes like blunders it's like blunders like that is it a little one is he you know he would have some kind of is it kalila kathira wa he would make mistakes in these kind of you'd miss kind of like misrepresent them in the Haditha how allah is say her and then he gives examples of whom okay so kathira one you don't listen Ali Baba [13:14] so some defense oh my god this won't be problem you know this one big problem so soon need offense was to say Oh is Abu layth then yeah you could say have illusions but as in to make mistakes is the main thing what they're trying together now so many defense is saying that there's over 500 narrations in sahih hain of alarm wish does that mean every single one of them is weak I never said every single one of them has to be weak [13:52] why because hadith what is the whole purpose of chain criticism something people constantly forget is chained criticism was really only invented so we could know whether the mutton and the actual content of the hadith was sound chain criticism was not a goal in itself chain criticism was only this so we know the teaching of the Prophet was correct so let's first of all we look at the chain fine then we look at all right look at gym in ## Cite Mufti Abu Layth Archive, segment NGz8JO6O0f4/s/2. https://muftiabulayth.org/r/ngz8jo6o0f4/s/2/ Not a fatwa: these answers were given to specific people at specific times. 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