# Will gay people around us make Muslims gay?

*'Their way of life': Imam Malik on non-Muslim customs and an unnecessary insecurity*

- URL: https://muftiabulayth.org/r/mofs_0ugn4e/s/5/
- Date: 2023-02-22 · Kind: discussion · Transcript tier: machine · Recording: Muslim Scholars Allying With LGBTQ Community ? | Mufti Abu Layth (24:50–28:41)
- Status: general teaching
- Watch from the start of the segment: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mOfS_0uGn4E&t=1490s
- Recording page: https://muftiabulayth.org/r/mofs_0ugn4e/

**Topics:** Sexuality and orientation; Salvation and non-Muslims

**Summary (not a quotation; machine-made, unchecked):** Mufti Abu Layth says people being gay does not make others gay and the fear of it is an unnecessary insecurity; like Imam Malik on others' customs, their way of life is theirs.

**Checked position (checked by two independent reviews, not by the channel):** Mufti Abu Layth says the fear that people being gay will make Muslims gay is, in his view, an unnecessary insecurity.

**Evidence, his words at 28:02:** “you know it doesn't I think this is an unnecessary insecurity like some people have like oh my God oh my God we're all going to become gay” (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mOfS_0uGn4E&t=1682s)

## Longer summary

Mufti Abu Layth says there is a lot of 'wishy-washy' change in society that disturbs people, such as not being allowed to say what a woman is, mentioning Matt Walsh's programme, and the caller agrees. Mufti says people lump homosexuality together with these issues, and on homosexuality cites Imam Malik, who when asked whether Muslims should interfere with Zoroastrian [?] communities that practised incest said that it was their religion, which God tolerated. Mufti notes that incest disturbs people more than homosexuality and that even animals avoid it, citing Jared Diamond's The Third Chimpanzee on mice. Mufti says that if being gay is people's way of life, it is their way of life, that people being gay will not make anyone else gay, and that the fear of it is an unnecessary insecurity, while agreeing that a wider wishy-washy trend is under way.

## Sources and names cited

- Matt Walsh
- Imam Malik
- Majus (Zoroastrians) [?]
- Jared Diamond
- The Third Chimpanzee

## Transcript (machine tier, 24:50–28:41)

[24:13] system that they condemn that and they say that oh but the other one we're just describing reality you know because if we don't teach the kids and how are they supposed to understand that other some people in the school might have which is true some kids in the school do have like two dads at home or two moms at home but some kids in the school have also their dads have got like two wives and three wives so so what especially in the Muslim areas and yeah this is a a hypocrisy clear hypocrisy so look I but I do say look I I've said this in the past I don't

[24:50] think I don't think this is this is my this is where so here's where I'm at L Abu FAA I feel that it is true there is you know A lot's going on in society it's not just LGBT stuff there's a lot more wishy-washy stuff going on in society which does disturb people you know like now you're not even allowed to say what a man is you're not even allowed to say what a woman is you're not you know there's a whole program what is a woman and what is his name um what's it Matt Walsh I think he goes around interviewing people and they're not allowed to say what is a woman and I think that's it's like

[25:29] disturbing for people because it upsets people that what because if you say oh you're a bigot you know you're not allowed to say uh oh and this is a woman because anybody could be I I right now I I would say I'm a woman you're a woman okay we're women now okay we say uh you know we it's just you say and it is my point my point is is that saying that Crow is white it doesn't turns it right yeah I agree with you I 100% these wishy-washy things are are disturbing I I agree with you that said I disagree you see people say well you see

[26:08] all of this is kind of put into one lump because obviously you're saying well the LGBT you know you've got homosexuals and then you've got this as well so people are putting it as one I would say you see look when it comes to the homosexual issue homosexuality I would say as Imam Malik said when he was asked in the M that he said that what should we do we have like the people said we have communities that zarrian communities that marry their sisters and marry their mothers and marry their daughters and marry their sons they do incest should

[26:45] we should we interfere because Muslims had some Authority Imam Malik said La he said he said that's their Dean and Allah has tolerated which is than this you know and I would say incest that's definitely far more disturbing to people people who are disturbed by homosexuality they they would be much more disturbed by incest right natural because obviously a person's own mother a person's own father person's own sister own brother own children this is

[27:22] like even animals don't you see incest if you in the book third chimp z uh Jared Diamond he presents research on incest even animal species don't commit incest they would choose the he shows the study on mice that was separated since birth they don't choose the siblings still they choose the the cousin but they don't choose the sibling so if they' been separated since birth but they could somehow see something about the smell that no uh so the the point is that Imam Malik was saying look it's their way of life it's their way of life like sure you know we so

[28:02] homosexuality look if it's their way of life it's their way of life T you know I don't think by people being gay makes us gay no I you know like if there were 10 100 gay people standing on the street we're not going to become gay just because there's gay people standing here you know it doesn't I think this is an unnecessary insecurity like some people have like oh my God oh my God we're all going to become gay like because some people are gay it doesn't work that way it doesn't it look if it's their life it's their life let them be but I do agree that you see things aren't just it's not just it's not this homosexuality I believe that there we are now in an era where there is this

## Cite

Mufti Abu Layth Archive, segment mOfS_0uGn4E/s/5. https://muftiabulayth.org/r/mofs_0ugn4e/s/5/

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