# What happened between Mufti Abu Layth and a Moroccan shaykh?

*The falling-out with a Moroccan shaykh who called him deviant*

- URL: https://muftiabulayth.org/r/l4n4wd2jjps/s/29/
- Date: 2021-02-09 · Kind: question · Transcript tier: machine · Recording: Monday Nights with Mufti #201| Q&A Unscripted & Unrestricted! 😉 | Mufti Abu Layth (2:15:07–2:20:56)
- Status: a more recent answer exists: https://muftiabulayth.org/r/zz85auzek5w/s/31/; general teaching
- Watch from the start of the segment: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4n4wD2jjps&t=8107s
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**Topics:** Responses to critics

**Question as asked:** What happened with you and that Moroccan shaykh?

**Summary (not a quotation; machine-made, unchecked):** Mufti Abu Layth says a Moroccan shaykh he once visited later called him deviant, and he responded by pointing to the shaykh's past conviction.

## Longer summary

A chat question asks what happened between Mufti Abu Layth and a Moroccan shaykh. Mufti says the shaykh called him a deviant after Hizb ut-Tahrir supporters, whom he had been attacking, contacted him, and that Mufti responded by pointing out that, as he understands it, the shaykh had a past terrorism conviction. Mufti says he had visited the shaykh years earlier and spoken well of him at the time, not knowing his background.

## Sources and names cited

- Hizb ut-Tahrir [?]

## Transcript (machine tier, 2:15:07–2:20:56)

[2:15:06] anna what happened with you and that moroccan shirt you see nothing much happened uh he was obviously speaking against me and he was trying to say all right [ __ ] yeah right he was trying to say that i'm a deviant and right so that's better right he was trying to say i'm a deviant which obviously by his standards i am because he was and i highlighted the fact that look i had looked up

[2:15:46] um and is online that he is a convicted terrorist who served many years in prison and then was uh he was pardoned he was not exonerated he was just pardoned the rest of his sentence because of the connections his family had with the king and the state so i just highlighted that and they obviously got very offended and said well oh you know why is mufti highlighted this point and because they said look you even met him in 2015 or something or 2014 was it but i can't remember but i met him

[2:16:22] several years back now i i did say that look yes of course i did meet him uh i didn't know at the time this was his background and i did speak well of him when i met him okay now i didn't look you have to understand that he's from a family it's not him he that family carries so much the lineage carries so much prestige about knowledge now so they've had so many you know the katani's even my ijazat go through abdul hay al-khattani you know from so these people have been huge

[2:17:01] muhammad jafar al-kattani and all their brothers and all these kind of huge major mahathir idris and all these huge players now there is also even their father uh i think his name muhammad muntasir al-kattani was huge now the these two brothers that are are that are still there today morocco obviously there's many others as well now this name is what initially kind of how i came to hear of him because i'd heard of the name katani so as an example let me give you an example let's say uh there's

[2:17:40] muftitakhman now he carries this name uthmani so and there's been these people before him now you've got obviously mufti rafi rasmani you've got all these people but from here let's say their children now he has got children is it uh imran uthmani or something but now let's say they've got children now if you were in a place and you hear that oh look this and this such and such uh share something with manny who's the grandson of such and such so yeah you will probably reach out to him and if you could connect you would probably

[2:18:20] connect and i did connect and so it's like that i went and and to be fair when i went to visit him about in it's been many years when it was i i think 2014 or 2015. he was very respectable you know when i met him he he had he didn't really know who i was i or i think he'd probably maybe seen my profile or something briefly or maybe i'd messaged him but we didn't really know each other i went with somebody else i went with an assistant of sherroogie uh we were there i went with sheikh uh what's his name um um

[2:18:58] [Music] now who's also he's like a researcher as well today now when we went to his house he was very respectable and i spoke good words about him afterwards said look it's a pleasure and he told me look i'm teaching this and i'm teaching this and i'm teaching this although at that time i did get a little hint because there was a point where he was i was going to ask him oh i'm going to go to meet sheikh rugi now by the way i was going to tell him because we were actually on route to meet sheikh rugi but we'd made contact and hasan kathani and said why don't you come over you know you can i'm at home you can meet me so i was going to tell him hey we're

[2:19:38] about to go to meet sheikh rugi and he popped out to get some i don't know drinks for us or something and he told me he kind of like nudged me and said don't don't say don't tell him that you're going to meet sherroogie so at the time i thought maybe this is um because i i did say why and he said now he he won't like him so i thought okay maybe this is just politics now fast forward a few years and then when he's one of the people who starts condemning me because i'm attacking so i'm attacking hizbut who are

[2:20:17] speaking about we need to take over the world and we need global domination and islam needs to rule all the world and we need to subjugate kuffar and so when i'm attacking them they contact him and he makes a post against me so at this time i was like why is this guy making a post so anyway i look into him that what's his connection and then i realize oh for god's sake this guy's a convicted terrorist himself so i then made a point of this i said look this is funny you're going to him because he himself is a convicted terrorist um you know and then so this was basically the essence the story of it

[2:20:55] um but yeah right so uh let's move on people right i wanted to highlight as well the uh if i can here uh what's going on in india

## Cite

Mufti Abu Layth Archive, segment l4n4wD2jjps/s/29. https://muftiabulayth.org/r/l4n4wd2jjps/s/29/

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