# Have Muslims really kept women out of mosques for 1,400 years? *Answering Daniel Haqiqatjou's '1,400 years' argument against feminism* - URL: https://muftiabulayth.org/r/kusevqg0low/s/6/ - Date: 2019-05-04 · Kind: discussion · Transcript tier: machine · Recording: Daniel Haqiqatjou and Women praying in the Wardrobe -Mufti Abu Layth (31:44–38:06) - Status: general teaching - Watch from the start of the segment: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KuSevqg0low&t=1904s - Recording page: https://muftiabulayth.org/r/kusevqg0low/ **Topics:** Women in Islam; Responses to critics; Women in worship and mosques **Summary (not a quotation; machine-made, unchecked):** No: women prayed in mosques from the Prophet's time on and classical scholars held many such views, so the '1,400 years' claim fails; Mufti Abu Layth doubts Haqiqatjou's scholarly training. ## Longer summary Mufti Abu Layth turns to another post by Daniel Haqiqatjou objecting to Muslims who say the Prophet was a feminist, on the grounds that billions of Muslims had no issue for 1,400 years. Mufti asks which 1,400 years he means, since women came to the mosque in the time of the Prophet, Umar and Ali, Imam Malik and Abu Hanifa never taught such things, and mosques of every madhhab have had women praying in them. He cites a Maliki scholar of north-west Africa some 600 years ago whose fatwa substituted financial penalties for the hudud, a scholar who held that wives inherit half of the husband's earnings, and an Andalusian scholar who saw nothing wrong with women travelling in caravans, asking whether they are part of that legacy, and mocks 'glossy petrodollar' books. He says that, from what he has looked into, he does not believe Daniel Haqiqatjou has studied the Islamic sciences to a scholarly level, and calls it ironic that someone who relies on Western credentials such as Harvard presents a version of Islam close to the Taliban's. ## Sources and names cited - Daniel Haqiqatjou - Umar ibn al-Khattab - Ali ibn Abi Talib - Imam Malik - Abu Hanifa - hudud (prescribed punishments) - Darussalam (publisher) - Harvard University - Taliban - ISIS ## Transcript (machine tier, 31:44–38:06) [31:06] say you know for a woman her cupboard or a wardrobe or a closet or some dark corner switch off the lights is better than the Masjid of Nephi right is absurd absurd and this is what happens when you take this theme without having studied it this is what happens when you have a personality disorder that is like a control freak kind of control freak paranoia we you have issues of control and are using religion to justify it you know many insecurities you'll find many [31:43] people they'll use religion as their biggest shield now I read a post by Daniel saying what is it with Muslims today trying to put this up I think it was today somebody shared it with me when I mentioned I'm gonna speak about him saying what is it with Muslims today saying oh the Prophet was a feminist or the Islam is about supporting feminism and this and that and billions of Muslims for you know what billions of Muslims for centuries had no issues with this for 1,400 years and today you have an issue first of all what billions of [32:23] Muslims have you been reading I mean you first of all don't even understand the term Mazda right you're Arabic it's clearly in question I don't know if that's you know some kind of a an understanding issue but from my from what I have looked into I don't believe that you're actually a graduate of any Islamic Sciences as in having studied to a scholarly level within Islam I'm not saying you haven't studied at Harvard I'm sure you have but you from an Islamic perspective I'm unaware of your Hadees studies and these kind of things so what 1,400 years are you talking [33:02] about which method are you talking about does that include a 1400 include the profit because in the profits time the women came to the Masjid you know that does it include Omar because in his time he had a whole thing set up for women in the Masjid does it include Ali because in his time he had an imam for women in the Masjid does it include the Sahaba of the allow Adam does it include him a Malik Stein when he's never said this he's living in Medina does include him does include Abu Hanifa who never said things like this does it include the selleth who never [33:41] taught these kind of ridiculous teachings this so when you're saying that oh 1400 years of a legacy who are these 1400 years where'd you get this from we which are these you know which which books are you referring to that are telling you that we for 1400 years have had monotonous ly all women praying inside wardrobes or cupboards or locked up or praying behind barriers or we go to mush kids throughout the world they've had women always praying in some methods they've been more restrictive in others they haven't Shafi must-reads [34:19] Maliki masjid humbly machines have always had women praying in them you can go to any part of that in fact so this is you know this kind of thing all for 1400 years Islam has been against what version of Islam is it like the Salafi publications version is it like Darussalam I don't know what kind of glossy petrodollar books that you've been reading nowadays when you say 1400 of Islam can you name me a traditional classical book of one of the methods that you actually study that you actually go through that you actually I mean whose Fatah are you referring to [34:57] here because you'd be everything I've quoted generally about this sense is all from these Fatah WA human reason he said all today people are trying to suck up to be compassionate imam musa lee was share whole Islam of his zero from 600 years ago in northwest Africa he has his photo a book a major 50 within the molecule mother he said capital punishment and all who dude will be subset would be substituted with new financial penalties in his day and age is he part of your 1,400 years of legacy the practice Amal the Amal yet [35:35] continued in northwest Africa upon his fatwa amongst many communities even our Lord said women will inherit wives would inherit 50 percent of the of the husbands division is he are these kind of radical feminists what our part of your 1400 years of legacy like what is this 1400 years of legacy you know when you say Oh women must be doing women can't travel outside they can't go on their own he said what is this I will believe the body from Muslim Spain who said that a thousand years ago what's wrong with women traveling when they go in caravans from city to city he said so [36:13] long as they say what is the issue is he part of your 1,400 years of legacy I mean who is this leg you know this 1,400 years who are you even talking about so the these things this is why when I read these kind of statements and they appeal to certain people who hate their version of modern Muslims that they gonna say all Islam should never be modern but the irony is look here is a person who uses the West as to say look I'm educated in Harvard I am an [36:51] authority or to be listening to me to then say you know all Muslims really ought to be like living in caves it's not saying that word for word but that's what it becomes like basically the best understanding of Islam is that which resonates with the Taliban for example is his best version of Islam or maybe in Isis territory with one two notches higher that I mean less in extreme that's all you think well hmm you know like what but you're using everything Western like your own credentials are simply just Western credentials you know that you went to [37:31] Harvard you that because you appear presentable because you can speak English right more than these movies they give you a platform or they share your things so it's it's ironic subhanAllah we have to remember look people I'm gonna leave whoa is that the time I'm gonna leave us with this final message I just want us to ponder over look we have to understand that Islam it came for all times now with the day and age with the people things would evolve now I want you to just understand something check this out ## Cite Mufti Abu Layth Archive, segment KuSevqg0low/s/6. https://muftiabulayth.org/r/kusevqg0low/s/6/ Not a fatwa: these answers were given to specific people at specific times. Ask a qualified scholar about your own situation.