# Reply to Mufti Mangera: does the ban on muthla forbid piercing? - URL: https://muftiabulayth.org/r/jp-vz7g-uw0/s/2/ - Date: 2021-03-10 · Kind: discussion · Transcript tier: machine · Recording: Reply to Mufti Abdurrahman Ibn Yusuf on Ear Piercing | Mufti Abu Layth (3:40–7:37) - Status: a view quoted in order to be discussed, not a position held - Watch from the start of the segment: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JP-vZ7g-UW0&t=220s - Recording page: https://muftiabulayth.org/r/jp-vz7g-uw0/ **Topics:** Dress and appearance; Responses to critics **Summary (not a quotation; machine-made, unchecked):** The clip cites the ban on muthla (mutilation) against piercing; Mufti Abu Layth explains that muthla means disfiguring bodies, especially of the dead, and mocks applying it to ear piercing. ## Longer summary The clip continues with Mufti Mangera saying that there is no muthla in Islam, meaning no mutilation of any part of the body by making a hole through it, as another reason against piercing. Mufti Abu Layth sarcastically summarises the clip's reasoning that one or two piercings are normal because decent people say so and that piercing the top of the ear is manipulating the body, and says he does not know what manipulating means here. He explains that muthla refers to disfiguring someone, especially the dead, as the ancient Arabs did to slain enemies by cutting off body parts, comparing it to cartel killings. He then mocks the inference that because muthla is haram piercing is not allowed, asking why it is then allowed in some places, and calls this an example of why the ummah is where it is. ## Sources and names cited - Mufti Abdur-Rahman ibn Yusuf Mangera - muthla (mutilation) - haram ## Transcript (machine tier, 3:40–7:37) [3:40] let's see what he's saying in a sense and there's no muthla in islam muslim means there's no there is no mutilation of any part of your body to make a hole through it etc so that's that's one of the reasons for it oh that's one of the reasons for it oh so people as you heard right there the wise words of uh mufti mangerasap that you all enjoyed [Laughter] so let me just clarify what uh mufti saab was saying you see the problem with having [4:20] you can have one piercing it's normal you can have two it's normal why is it normal because decent people say it's normal but like you harami is watching this but that's why i past the underneath [4:50] saying if you pierce on top it becomes abnormal but why muftis why does it become abnormal right just hold your horses people i'm going to explain the wisdom is because you're manipulating [Laughter] what the hell does manipulating here mean i don't know whether it's the lack of caffeine today [5:29] manipulating you your body means so you're manipulating your body take care right so oh look at that magic there going a bit then mufti saab goes on to explain that the other wisdom is because we're not allowed to do musla in islam muthullah for those of you that don't know means to what it's really used for is to disfigure distort and disfigure someone especially to the dead [6:09] after they've been killed what they would do the ancient arabs would kind of disfigure them so they'd do things like i don't know maybe cut their tongue out and you know like maybe kind of do all weird stuff with their body parts cut it off and do hang it around and you know a bit like uh i suppose you get some of these cartels and the colombian necktie is which is not a tie you want to be wearing you know so this kind of stuff is muthala so because muthla is haram the [6:56] but then because muthla is haram you're not allowed to pierce [Laughter] then why can't you do it here i am of this up you see this is the problem this is why the ummah is is where it is but i saw that and i thought well [7:32] i have to share that now since it's so ## Cite Mufti Abu Layth Archive, segment JP-vZ7g-UW0/s/2. https://muftiabulayth.org/r/jp-vz7g-uw0/s/2/ Not a fatwa: these answers were given to specific people at specific times. Ask a qualified scholar about your own situation.