# Is someone who denies a line of al-Tahawi's creed a kafir?

*Does denying a line of al-Tahawi make one a kafir? Elmasry's own departures and Ash'ari creed*

- URL: https://muftiabulayth.org/r/icr0sv2urcu/s/2/
- Date: 2018-03-15 · Kind: lesson · Transcript tier: machine · Recording: A response to Shadee Elmasry - Mufti Abu Layth al-Maliki (2:36–5:13)
- Status: general teaching
- Watch from the start of the segment: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCr0sV2UrcU&t=156s
- Recording page: https://muftiabulayth.org/r/icr0sv2urcu/

**Topics:** Sects, sectarianism and takfir; Creed and the schools of theology; Responses to critics

**Summary (not a quotation; machine-made, unchecked):** No: Mufti Abu Layth says this makes al-Tahawi rather than the Quran the standard, that Elmasry himself departs from al-Tahawi on several points, that Ash'ari creed does not make takfir of the people of the qibla, and that al-Tahawi wrote 250 years after the Prophet and is not an Ash'ari authority.

## Longer summary

Mufti Abu Layth says Elmasry and Hamza Maqbool both recently said his view is kufr, and that Elmasry said in an interview that anyone who denies a line of al-Tahawi's creed is a kafir. He objects that this makes al-Tahawi's text, not the Quran, the standard, and says Elmasry himself has problematised at least five points of al-Tahawi, beginning with his definition of iman, which does not include action, and his use of words such as qadim for Allah. He asks whether the passages of the creed refuting the Khawarij, the Mu'tazila and the Shia make all of those groups kafir, and where such a rule comes from, since the creed of the Ash'aris is that they do not do takfir of the people of the qibla, and al-Tahawi's text is not even an Ash'ari text. He adds that al-Tahawi wrote more than 250 years after the Prophet and asks why he should suddenly be such a decisive authority when he is not accepted in anything else. He then turns to the verse they cite about Jesus speaking to people in the cradle and as a kahl, which they say means an old man; Maqbool, he says, at least reined it in to about forty.

## Sources and names cited

- Shadee Elmasry
- Hamza Maqbool
- al-Tahawi
- al-Aqidah al-Tahawiyya
- takfir
- iman
- Khawarij
- Mu'tazila
- Shia
- Ash'ari
- no takfir of the people of the qibla
- Quran 3:46 (he will speak to people in the cradle and as a kahl; the phrase also occurs in 5:110): https://quran.com/3/46
- kahl

## Transcript (machine tier, 2:36–5:13)

[1:55] how you speak to other people but you could throw them out of Islam you know seriously I I tell you the audacity of these people surprises me my life and I'm serious in that sense Johan cometa Sergei was a man named good hum say hey Sam on the money say honey it's okay so keep Mach these words that this I don't care about all of you can get together and put all the pressure you want this world know you ain't gonna eradicate me from Islam like that this is by the grace of God that we are on this faith okay nothing to do

[2:35] with you so anyway but this him and share hamza Maqbool they both kind of made recently some hunter Maqbool once again i'm disappointed he said the same thing that this is qu4 and you know what's interesting people they said that oh this anybody who denies a line of the Howey is a Kaffir the Creed of the Howey this this book of how is a Kaffir Wow not anybody who denies the Quran anybody

[3:09] who denies the Howie's a Kaffir monger this is like this is your love not the Quran anybody who denies the line of the how is a kafir that's what Shep shoddy said in his interview Wow first of all it lets a mere problematized at least five different points of Taha we is he a kafir and he rejected them and beginning with his definition of Iman because he doesn't go with the Jammu including action beginning to using with words like describing a las Kadeem they've rejected they rejected these notions so

[3:48] secondly the inta how here there's several things these things refuting the Huaraz do you call the huar each calf here and these things refuting the martyrs illa do you call them kaffir these things refuting the she I've you call the Shiar cafe so you declare everybody care for all of a sudden do you write where'd you even get this from the creed of analyst Sunnah of a sha DS and these people he said a menagerie the creed of a Charisse is that land know that Nanook affair adult Abela we do not do the clear of our no table so we do you even what book over and how he isn't even an a shoddy text what are you even Honorable like we do people even get their basic thing from

[4:28] Oh amantha how he said it anybody who denies the Howey so what if amantha how he said he he's writing this almost at least over two hundred and fifty years after the Prophet why is he such a great Hodja all of a sudden you know we don't accept him in anything else but all of a sudden he said this this must be the Word of God and by the way they used this verse of the Quran I heard both of them say this they say Allah says about Jesus in the Quran where you can live on NASA field Matthew what Catalan well you cuddle him on NASA field Matthew well Carolyn and he will speak to people from in the cradle and as a grown man and Kyle and Carol and

[5:06] check this out they say Carol means an old man in hurry she hums I'm a bull at least had some decency to kind of rein it in a bit like he said oh it means about 40 years old what's his name Chad eleemosynary just went off and said it means an old man because I think in cloacal Arabic today they might use it as an old man well guess what this is an Inc local Arabic mate okay this is an Arabic and have you read any of the toughest here on this this opinion because what they're saying is that how can Jesus talk to people as a mature man that means he's gonna come back and talk to them as a mature man this is what they're trying to say well

## Cite

Mufti Abu Layth Archive, segment iCr0sV2UrcU/s/2. https://muftiabulayth.org/r/icr0sv2urcu/s/2/

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