# Why talk publicly about permissive opinions if it might encourage people?

*If people will do it anyway, why make these opinions public?*

- URL: https://muftiabulayth.org/r/housirokbvu/s/28/
- Date: 2020-04-19 · Kind: discussion · Transcript tier: machine · Recording: Shaykh Kashif Khan | Policing thought, Pornography & Pandora's box | MindTrap with Mufti #15 (2:23:40–2:28:54)
- Status: a view quoted in order to be discussed, not a position held
- Watch from the start of the segment: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hOusirOkBVU&t=8620s
- Recording page: https://muftiabulayth.org/r/housirokbvu/

**Topics:** How to study Islam; Sexual ethics; Guest conversations

**Summary (not a quotation; machine-made, unchecked):** The guest says knowledge cannot be hidden in the internet age and that people lose trust when scholars conceal it, so it is better to tell them the recorded opinions.

## Longer summary

Mufti Abu Layth says nobody has the courage to discuss these matters: a maulana who held such views would never say so in public, only behind closed doors. The guest says he has no financial conflict of interest, works a full-time job, studies out of personal passion, and never wants to be an imam. Mufti then puts the question that people will watch pornography or masturbate anyway, not because of a statement on MindTrap, so why put this discourse out and make it Islamic for them, rather than let them get on with it. The guest says a shaykh, al-Awni [?], has a detailed article on hiding knowledge, that nothing can be hidden today since the books are a click away for anyone with a little Arabic, Urdu or English, and that people who find out they were not told the truth lose trust in scholarship, so helping is better than keeping quiet. He adds that al-Bukhari and others held that a talaq pronounced without intention does not occur, and Mufti says he would argue the same from Imam Malik's answer about a man who began to say 'you are divorced if' and stopped.

## Sources and names cited

- Shaykh Kashif Khan (guest)
- Shaykh al-Awni [?]
- Imam al-Bukhari
- Imam Malik
- talaq without intention

## Transcript (machine tier, 2:23:40–2:28:54)

[2:22:59] you carrying something so these people they have no logic I mean okay but a question because I agree with everything you're saying but a question here that people will always ask me and just to be fair to raise the question would you say that look all of this coming up all this kind of talk all this kind of discussion and I mentioned the reason why you know I think this topic is important is

[2:23:37] because it's so real and nobody has I'm gonna be honest with you nobody has the courage they just don't have the cojones to kind of like really talk about these you know if I got a Madonna on here or a ship that believed in some of this stuff to be true he would never in public say say that he would just in public line and behind closed doors he'll tell me that yeah it's okay tomorrow him yeah I I don't that's why I don't have you know financial conflict of interest I exist I

[2:24:14] do my study I do a full-time job and I do my steady because I like it I like to do it with me Islam this whole learning is a passion it's a personal passion I have no I don't I'm not any man I'll never be any ma'am I don't really want to be any mom anyway I've never be on time for the solos but I mean I I think like this it's not my thing and I'm not I'm being honest oh you know people sometimes ask me about you know like peyote [ __ ] was I say you come to the wrong guy I'm not like I'm

[2:24:53] some kind of PI's person I just love of the heritage of this theme and I love learning about it I love researching it I love kind of conveying what I know but people would ask that look all this dialogue bringing this out right you know like and I know it's part of like what I answered before they would say that would you feel since people are going to let's say people are gonna watch porn are gonna watch porn anyway they're not gonna say well you know oh I watched mine trap with mostly in social clashes and he said this and now I'm gonna watch porn they're gonna do it anyway or people are gonna masturbate are gonna do it anything they're not

[2:25:32] gonna say well you know I happen to read it in a husband statement and therefore I started masturbating but even if the husband would be like whoa he'll be like dude you need some serious help so the issue is that people there's a question that look since people are gonna do this anyway why are you putting this discourse out there by kind of meddling like by making it Islamic for them or legitimizing it is it not better to just let them get on with it and not have this had like what do you get by

[2:26:09] making this knowledge popular like by letting this out to the public I think in this day and age and she had a mineral oil oniy she has a detailed article on this on hiding the knowledge and he also said the same thing in this day and age you cannot hide anything from anyone all the books are just a click away anyone who knows a little bit of Arabic or or odoo or English you can find a lot of the stuff a lot of stuff like this now what happens is the people they get

[2:26:46] you know they get mutinous they get they started this like liking their scholarship or not telling them the truth if I'm helping someone with this problem I think it's better rather than I should keep quiet and should not tell him what what is supposed to be is a benefit one more thing see there is an issue of the Salah the opinion of the Imam and other scholars like imam bukhari that if there is no intention of the last even if he pronounced it it does not occur not a single one right and this was also the view option mobile banal hobby yeah and you know I would

[2:27:25] argue in many ways Imam Malik although some people might interpret it differently because in its fucktwat way he says you know when he's asked about by the person who said auntie [ __ ] sillerton and he wants to fit go on say something like his he begins the sentence says that part he and he says if this but then he just changes his mind and he doesn't complete the sentence he's like you wanted to say you are divorced if or when this happens and when so-and-so but as you start saying when this anything's on I leave it he's asked that does that a lot happen because he's already said the word you

[2:28:04] are divorced when and he my Malik said no that it doesn't happen because he didn't like because what he meant to say was the whole thing and he stops yeah so I would argue the same thing with in my mind but yes sir carry on yeah yeah so see know that's example of you know the punishment of the sodomy act of sodomy

[2:28:36] was of the view that there is no hug there is no Sherri had Islamic [ __ ] punished capital punishment on the act of sodomy right so evening Adama and other scholars they say that Boo is Abu Hanifa opposed to a Jamal Sahaba onto the ship right who said no even if Nick Adama yeah he did Abu Hanifah as opposed to a Jamaa I'm just giving one the Hanafy they did defend abu hanifa by hook or by crook no not that and when therapy they attack abu hanifa in india pakistan that a pony for was trying to legitimize the sodomy

## Cite

Mufti Abu Layth Archive, segment hOusirOkBVU/s/28. https://muftiabulayth.org/r/housirokbvu/s/28/

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