# Did classical scholars permit masturbation, and for women too? *Al-Shawkani's treatise, women and the verse, Malik's disdain, and mut'ah versus halala* - URL: https://muftiabulayth.org/r/housirokbvu/s/22/ - Date: 2020-04-19 · Kind: discussion · Transcript tier: machine · Recording: Shaykh Kashif Khan | Policing thought, Pornography & Pandora's box | MindTrap with Mufti #15 (1:51:38–1:56:54) - Status: a view quoted in order to be discussed, not a position held - Watch from the start of the segment: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hOusirOkBVU&t=6698s - Recording page: https://muftiabulayth.org/r/housirokbvu/ **Topics:** Sexual ethics; Polygamy and mut'ah; Guest conversations **Summary (not a quotation; machine-made, unchecked):** The guest cites al-Shawkani's treatise and some Hanafi, Maliki and Hanbali reports permitting masturbation, and says some held the prohibition applies only to men; Mufti Abu Layth notes Malik's disdain as a social attitude. ## Longer summary The guest says al-Shawkani wrote a whole treatise on the permissibility of masturbation, and that the verse on guarding the private parts except with wives and concubines speaks of men, so some held that women are exempt from the prohibition; he says some Hanafi and Maliki scholars permitted it, and that Hanafi texts discuss women using objects for pleasure [?]. Mufti Abu Layth says that when Imam Malik was asked about it under a euphemism he simply showed disdain, which reflects a social outlook that has always seen it as humiliating, especially for men, and asks whether some of the salaf said they commanded their youth to do it to stay chaste; the guest says Ibn Hazm brings such reports. The guest says this is the reason mut'ah was legislated, and that Ibn Taymiyya said mut'ah is more rational than halala, which Mufti explains is when a divorced wife is quickly married to someone else so she can return to her husband, and which he calls disgusting. The guest adds reports from Imam Ahmad permitting masturbation. ## Sources and names cited - Shaykh Kashif Khan (guest) - al-Shawkani - Imam Malik - Ibn Hazm - Ibn Taymiyya - Imam Ahmad ibn Hanbal - mut'ah (temporary marriage) - halala - Hanafi school - Maliki school ## Transcript (machine tier, 1:51:38–1:56:54) [1:51:38] yeah of course no I think names have a reflection on the personality as well and Kathy shikhandi had a whole whole verse Allah on the permission of masturbation and when I was in Pakistan when I came to because we shook a little heaviest love shop honey because we had a conference in Karachi all this discussion it does include women as well [1:52:13] it's not just for Maliki and we're wrapping the monkeys it can really mention that the words of this the way they detect the prohibition of masturbation he says it only applies to men women are exempt from this prohibition the word like this was when anyone knew because it says because that [1:52:52] was only exempt from with wife and concubine right and that words talking about the men so when someone quote me that words I see I respond to him where is the prohibition of like with evidence for women doesn't he bring Futaba of the Hannah Beulah mentioning that we mean using kind of like fake penis or making something out of though this kind of that they make these kind of fake [1:53:31] penises and they hear stuff for sexual pleasure I think he's quoting he has stated that some of the Hanafi Hana sees and there was another one I think some of the honorees and Maliki's have permitted masturbation because I never bought that you know what they asked they quote Imam Malik Imam Malik just simply rebuked the person he just said that what is this you know like when they say they asked him out Malik about gender mira which was a Kanaya kind of metaphor for [1:54:08] any man kind of like whipping it lashing Omega I don't know why I made I was named for that moniker mighty kind of just says that you know he kind of just has a disdain but that comes back to this social outlook on masturbation has always even till our modern age it's seen as something which nobody will generally own up to it's not a kind of like they're not it seem denigrating isn't a humiliating especially for men yeah and what's interesting is some of the seller not to cut your point but [1:54:45] didn't they also say that we used to command our youth to do yeah who do it even hasn't brings that doesn't yeah and enough of the rock and they say but he says it would help them keep chaste and pure yeah keep them off from their desires and this is why the motive was legislated but this is the reason that the Buddha was late and evening.a Mia said mata is more better and it's rational then the helada those people [1:55:23] that don't know is when the person feels his wife is divorced so he wants to get back to it gather with her so he makes her sleep with as in marry quickly somebody else so you all say yeah that's really disgusting must mention is permissible is it there are reports from Emmet as well it's like you know you can take out your nose whenever you want right it's like she knows whenever you want so touch your profile [1:56:03] I'm not quite gay don't do it by is going to come out in few days and gonna be okay but right this thing [1:56:43] of saying well in this staining you know you well her re in the author of sapiens in an interview where he's speaking about he's asked about pornography and he says that it is when he's asked about people today in the detriments and so on he says that pornography today is the kind of the new concubines that people have okay that the way people had concubines in the past today it's pornography and I just found that a fascinating kind of analogy so I mean ## Cite Mufti Abu Layth Archive, segment hOusirOkBVU/s/22. https://muftiabulayth.org/r/housirokbvu/s/22/ Not a fatwa: these answers were given to specific people at specific times. 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