# Does Ibn Ashur say the beast comes before the Day of Judgment?

*Reading Ibn Ashur on 'when the word comes to pass'*

- URL: https://muftiabulayth.org/r/eoq_mxafx5o/s/5/
- Date: 2018-05-29 · Kind: lesson · Transcript tier: machine · Recording: What is the Beast of the Earth? What did Ibn Aashour really say? -Mufti Abu Layth (10:59–15:30)
- Status: general teaching
- Watch from the start of the segment: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EoQ_mXafx5o&t=659s
- Recording page: https://muftiabulayth.org/r/eoq_mxafx5o/

**Topics:** Dajjal, Mahdi and the signs; Contested verses

**Summary (not a quotation; machine-made, unchecked):** Mufti Abu Layth reads Ibn Ashur as treating the time from the world's end to the resurrection as one realm, not as placing the beast before the Day of Judgment.

**Checked position (checked by two independent reviews, not by the channel):** Mufti Abu Layth says that, in his understanding, Ibn Ashur's remark about nearness does not mean the creature emerges close to the Day of Judgment rather than on it.

**Evidence, his words at 14:13:** “he means that it has it won't happen on the day of judgment it'll happen close to they could take that but he's not I know you know he's not saying that in my understanding” (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EoQ_mXafx5o&t=853s)

## Longer summary

Mufti Abu Layth says he would place the Hour in the next world, though it is no big deal if others say this one, and begins reading Ibn Ashur's tafsir of verse 82. Mufti reads Ibn Ashur linking 'when the word comes to pass' to the deniers who mocked the promised Hour, saying the past tense is used for the certainty of its occurrence and that the time from the world's destruction until the resurrection is one timeless realm. He reads that the verse points to a supernatural sign of the great threat, the resurrection, and says this could refer to the beast or to the resurrection itself. On Ibn Ashur's remark that the past tense reflects nearness, he says critics take it to mean the beast comes before the Day of Judgment, which they may hold, but that in his understanding Ibn Ashur is not saying that. He reads that Ibn Ashur calls the many narrations about when the creature will emerge weak, found in al-Qurtubi's [?] collection, and not worth criticising.

## Sources and names cited

- Ibn Ashur
- al-Tahrir wa al-Tanwir (Ibn Ashur's tafsir)
- Quran 27:82 (we will bring out for them a creature from the earth): https://quran.com/27/82
- al-Qurtubi [?]

## Transcript (machine tier, 10:59–15:30)

[10:19] could say the actual sir and what's happening right now and the new world being made and people appearing is that still part of this world or the next world and will that because time will cease to exist so all of a sudden you can't say well time because time ceases in that sense so what are we talking is this all still the end of time because the end of time is at the same point the birth of a new realm which is timeless so in that sense I accept this esta laughs in saying the signs of the hour they because they can happen with

[10:58] the hour and is the our part of this world or the next world I would say it's part of the next world if people wanted to say that's part of this world it's not a big deal so now let's take a look at evening our shoes so if nourisher says in his verse right so after beginning this he says were harder into : elliptic irritability a moment dr. donahoo mine'll worried this is now going back to what was speaking about the AMA about death about reminding them and what has been stored for them for happy I'll miss out the grammar parts because that doesn't make [Music]

[11:37] you know how the aluminum are to fire German table ha at focus on a pizza this is attached to the sentence before he all Manasa Bertuzzi Korea matter cut them in holy he he says and this is then related to the verse in nicoletto small motor that you do not guide you do not make the dead here what fold what is meant by a loophole is a lock alcohol he says or either be a barrel either Latika the bow ha this is meant that which they denied the promise which they denied the threat motuhake mean you know in a state of arrogance mystic power who in her because they said it's taking forever to

[12:17] happen when they would say much ahadith what do in kuntum saw the thing when will this hour come this promise come if it was truthful one who must are only her lula bhakti he was early coming worked it I hate you in Harlem little fauna is and yet full of an illusion little general unarmed ah now listen he says the fact a lie saying what kaha it has happened he says this is mustahab he says this is it's borrowed for its occurrence of that time now listen to this he says it's from the time that the world begins its destruction till the point that they integer now

[12:56] that this is all one kind of time zone which is timeless and he's saying that this is all one realm you see so you can understand what I was talking about when I said whether that's part of this dunya the akhira is up to people to disagree with well I had to Shiro Allah Sheikh Ayman ashraddha halal in white and the verse points to a matter of the science of the occurrence of this great threat this great promise Allah the only Ruby he and what they had been warned about what world were idle Akbar and that was the greatest threatened promise

[13:34] Yani were either bath and that is the resurrection Fatah toshiro Allah Sheikh Ayman a schrott Issa and it points to a matter of the ash righto sir a Worman Hawara tell our that so and it is from that which goes against people's habits that they are that it's it's a non supernatural event so here what is the supernatural event it could be speaking about this beast sure it could be speaking about the resurrection because it's a supernatural event other ways and he says then he's gonna go into grandma whatta a barón rojo a he be several model it's a criminal harm in a movie a

[14:13] horror who and then he says that look and this saying well all that and when he has happened why because of its closeness now they trying to say by this he means that it has it won't happen on the day of judgment it'll happen close to they could take that but he's not I know you know he's not saying that in my understanding but they're saying when Allah saying is there what Kyle hold and when it has happened why is he saying it when he has happened like this because of the closeness to when it's gonna happen they're saying no so this means a

[14:52] closeness to the hour they can take that but it doesn't in my understanding mean that then he explains that by what creature means in Arabic we can miss that part out if nothing interesting then he says what God Ruby a tree waspy Hadid Abba and there's a lot of narrations about this creature when it's going to come out the time it's going to come out of our own body but on the if weak turbulent motions by shuttle as I need they are weak you can find them in subsea of Bihari sorry of core to be lateral official me have enough day there's not even point in bringing them and criticizing them here then he says

## Cite

Mufti Abu Layth Archive, segment EoQ_mXafx5o/s/5. https://muftiabulayth.org/r/eoq_mxafx5o/s/5/

Not a fatwa: these answers were given to specific people at specific times. Ask a qualified scholar about your own situation.