# Early denials, the second coming, revelations in English and claims of divinity - URL: https://muftiabulayth.org/r/decxag9d9g8/s/4/ - Date: 2019-01-15 · Kind: lesson · Transcript tier: machine · Recording: A Reply to False Messiahs: Mirza Ghulam Qadiani! -Mufti Abu Layth (21:06–27:43) - Status: general teaching - Watch from the start of the segment: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dECxAg9D9g8&t=1266s - Recording page: https://muftiabulayth.org/r/decxag9d9g8/ **Topics:** Ahmadiyya and false messiahs; End times and the Day of Judgement **Summary (not a quotation; machine-made, unchecked):** Mirza's early denials of prophethood were superseded by later claims to be Christ, to receive Quranic verses, to own the real al-Aqsa and to be God. Mufti Abu Layth believes Mirza was mentally unwell rather than lying. **Checked position (checked by two independent reviews, not by the channel):** Mufti Abu Layth says he believes Mirza Ghulam Ahmad was not lying but had mental health problems, and that the Ahmadi denial of the second coming rests on Mirza's claim to be the awaited Christ. **Evidence, his words at 22:55:** “i actually do feel that he it wasn't about him lying i feel that he had mental health issues i actually do believe this” (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dECxAg9D9g8&t=1375s) ## Longer summary Mufti Abu Layth says Mirza's early books, such as A'ina-e-Kamalat-e-Islam [?], do say that anyone claiming prophethood after the Prophet is cursed and that he is not a prophet but one addressed by God, which Ahmadis cite, but that this belongs to his early years, since in the Ark of Noah he writes that he is the one meant by Mary and Christ. He distinguishes the Ahmadi denial of the second coming of Jesus, which he says exists because Mirza was to be that Christ, from the denial by scholars he lists, including shaykhs of al-Azhar, Muhammad Abduh, Rashid Rida, Shaltut, Mustafa al-Maraghi, Abul Kalam Azad, Ubaydullah Sindhi [?] and Iqbal, who held that Islam was completed with the Prophet. Agreeing with a chat comment, he says he believes Mirza was not lying but had mental health problems, which is why he faults him less than his followers. He then quotes further claims: that God spoke to Mirza in English, saying 'I love you'; that Quranic verses such as 'we have raised your praise' and 'we have not sent you except as a mercy' were revealed about him; that new Quranic verses came to him, including one placing revelation near Qadian; that al-Masjid al-Aqsa of the night journey was his mosque in Qadian, as virtuous as Makkah, so that those unable to perform hajj could come there; that late in life he claimed to be Krishna after a dream of Hindus prostrating to him; and, from A'ina-e-Kamalat-e-Islam [?] and Kitab al-Bariyya, that he saw in a dream or vision that he was the Lord and firmly believed it. ## Sources and names cited - Mirza Ghulam Ahmad of Qadian - A'ina-e-Kamalat-e-Islam [?] - Kashti-e-Nuh (The Ark of Noah) - Kitab al-Bariyya - Muhammad Abduh - Rashid Rida - Mahmud Shaltut - Mustafa al-Maraghi - Abul Kalam Azad - Ubaydullah Sindhi [?] - Allama Muhammad Iqbal - Quran 94:4: https://quran.com/94/4 - Quran 21:107: https://quran.com/21/107 - the night journey (al-Isra) ## Transcript (machine tier, 21:06–27:43) [20:59] creation assalaamu like this they send that upon him okay in one of his now in his early years he did write so in his early books like he writes anyone who claims to be a prophet after the prophet is cursed so sometimes khadianis will show these early things and say look he didn't look he didn't make these claims but that's in his early years that is true he did used to say i have no claim to prophethood that is in his book so in his early years he did do a lot of this in aina kamala he writes i am not a prophet i am an addressee [21:38] so somebody who god speaks to but later on he does this is part of his development so in kashtianu in the ark of noah he writes page 47 the mystery is now cleared uh he says this is christ who is awaited and in the words of inspiration it is i who is meant by mary and christ it is about me so you know when the goddani say jesus is not going to come back they weren't saying it like you know when i said oh jesus i don't believe jesus is going to come and other scholars the great masha'ikh al-azhar and [22:16] muhammad abdul and rasheed riddha and all these great sheikh shalt and mustafa maragi and all these people who didn't believe in the second coming of jesus christ and abu kalam azad and people like away the lasindi and even problematized it and all these kind of things all these people allama iqbal that's because they didn't believe in the messianic vision we believe that islam was completed with the prophet the reason khadiyani said that and i understand that many muslims do believe that jesus is coming but the reason why cardiani said that jesus christ is not coming because [22:55] he was meant to be jesus christ that's what why there was no second uh jesus now i actually somebody here is saying tasnif akbar is saying and i agree with dasani i actually do feel that he it wasn't about him lying i feel that he had mental health issues i actually do believe this i'm not saying this as a kind of cuss i actually feel that he he kind of lost the plot like mentally internally and he started to see these things this is why i don't fault him as much as i felt people who like [23:35] i i think do you really believe in that that this is that god this is god's great solution to mankind to have a chat with some guy in punjabi oh and by the way he spoke god spoke to him in other languages as well god spoke to him in english and you know what god said in english oh sorry wrong sorry wrong serial kisser do you know when god spoke to him what god said in english because he said god spoke to me in english as well and in english he said to me i love you [24:15] i'm not making this yet i'm not making this up he actually said god spoke to me in english and he said i love you i love you yeah i love you this is this is the that was god's english to him it really was that god said to me in english i love you what is god doing if he's gonna intervene this is not the time to intervene by just having gupshop in punjabi and just saying i love you in english there's got to be some other intervention right so okay now by the way he came out with some verses of the quran [24:54] himself he said about other verses so he said that certain in his book page 281 he wrote that was revealed to him and the verse in surah in s that we have raised your praise was revealed about him he said that the verse of the quran was we have not sent you except as a mercy for the world was revealed by him this these were his these are in his book [Music] [25:33] page 281 then he said there were new verses of the quran that were revealed to him like the people of suffa and what do you know about the people of suffer you will see their eyes are flowing with tears and peace and blessings upon you and so on and these were new parts of the quran that came to him and in another verse god said and we have revealed it close to qadhyan that's a verse of the quran that according to it was a new verse of the quran that we have revealed it close to kadyan [26:10] and in another thing he said as well that you know the masjid al-aqsa was his mosque in padian and he said on the night journey the prophet didn't go to in the night what i believe was and many people believe was a vision and other muslims believe was physical but either way that where the prophet went they said he didn't go to jerusalem he went to pakistan he went honestly i'm not making this up he says in his book that he went to pakistan to kadyan i mean it wasn't called pakistan then but in punjab that the prophet traveled to the punjab in kadyan [26:48] and that's where he went to that mosque and he declared his masjid to be as virtuous as the as makkah and he said that if you don't have money to do hajj you can come to his uh his place his he's kind of masjid now later on in life towards the end of his life he declared himself to be krishna and he said that they he saw this in a dream and indian hindus prostrating to him and stuff like this so this is this is not me and i do actually believe this is a reflection of his mental health right so i'm not kind of uh see like he said in [27:28] uh aina kamala in page 564 he wrote i saw in a dream that i am the lord i then firmly believe that it was so in kitabal baria page 85 he wrote i saw in one vision that i am god and i then firmly believed in it you know that hadith of indeed god is beautiful it gives it a whole new ## Cite Mufti Abu Layth Archive, segment dECxAg9D9g8/s/4. https://muftiabulayth.org/r/decxag9d9g8/s/4/ Not a fatwa: these answers were given to specific people at specific times. 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