# Who Mirza Ghulam Ahmad was and the claim that God spoke to him in Punjabi - URL: https://muftiabulayth.org/r/decxag9d9g8/s/2/ - Date: 2019-01-15 · Kind: lesson · Transcript tier: machine · Recording: A Reply to False Messiahs: Mirza Ghulam Qadiani! -Mufti Abu Layth (6:33–14:32) - Status: general teaching - Watch from the start of the segment: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dECxAg9D9g8&t=393s - Recording page: https://muftiabulayth.org/r/decxag9d9g8/ **Topics:** Ahmadiyya and false messiahs; Prophethood and miracles **Summary (not a quotation; machine-made, unchecked):** Mirza Ghulam Ahmad was born in 1839 in Punjab. Mufti Abu Layth argues that God intervening in an age of colonial suffering by merely talking to one man in Punjabi, with nothing changing, is not a credible divine plan. ## Longer summary Mufti Abu Layth says he will share the emails anyway, then turns to explaining who Mirza Ghulam Ahmad of Qadian was, showing a printed photograph and remarking repeatedly on his looks. He says he was born in 1839 in Punjab. He recounts an exchange with a convert to Ahmadiyya who said she believed God spoke to Mirza, and that he asked whether she really believed God spoke to him in Punjabi. He then puts his argument: in an age of colonialism, mass killing and the plunder of resources, the idea that God would break the laws of nature and intervene in free will by having a chat with a man in Punjabi, with no change following, is not a credible divine plan. The segment ends with an extended comparison of Mirza's photograph with a social-media personality known for photoshopped pictures, which Mufti says is not an insult because Mirza later claimed to be an incarnation of Krishna. ## Sources and names cited - Mirza Ghulam Ahmad of Qadian ## Transcript (machine tier, 6:33–14:32) [6:22] okay sorry okay sorry people but but that's what you're gonna get if you provoke people like me this is obviously gonna happen then he was like look oh my god i've i'm going to share these emails i was like why are you going to share them i will share it anyway so put that all aside so people have asked what is this khadiyani thing what is the backdrop let's explain about mirza ahmed khadiyani sahib that's right so people first of all right i'm going to [7:01] come back to those of you wondering who he is i print it off [Laughter] but you might want to see his picture closer still so the the bloody good-looking fella honestly [7:32] god damn honestly honestly yeah this this is a bloody good looking guy right so this is him now born in 1839 in punj in [8:05] honestly i'm not this i had some people say to me i had this one lady this one this one girl messaging me telling me how she's a convert to padianism and she said ha i used to be a sunni muslim but i left and i became so i just said okay good good for you and she was like ah you watch what allah is gonna do to you this this this this this so i just i said to him listen okay out of curiosity then [8:42] i said i just want to know do you seriously like i want to really know do you really believe do you really believe in do you really believe in him really and she said yeah al hamdulillah yeah alhamdulillah i've got to play the both roles in it let me i don't know whether she added the portables so anyway i said so okay so do you believe that god spoke to [9:14] to our and she said yeah i believe god spoke to him i said in punjabi [Laughter] i said do you really believe that god spoke to to gulam khadiyan to mirza khadyani in punjabi what's the problem with that so i said look let me get this right people [9:50] in in an age of tyranny and vicious vicious evil that has encapsulated the globe and manifested it as colonialism with mass genocide taking place the butchering and robbing of resources and humanity has plunged into a a time of suffering god decides to break his laws of nature and intervene in free will i mean one is the [10:28] belief that okay god doesn't intervene then he lets humans be responsible but god decides to break those laws and intervene again he's going to intervene people and he intervenes by having a chat with some guy in punjabi that's the plan [10:57] are you for real that is the divine plan that god's just gonna have a chat with some guy in punjabi and and that's it like there's no change yeah that wasn't this supposed to be some change here this is like the darkest times that that humanity are going through of suffering and you know since you're going to intervene anyway but rather than just having a chat in in punjabi god says he says [11:27] right so so the thing is anyway but then you know god chooses obviously the most handsome of punjab or sada punjab so god chooses obviously the most oh guys i've got something for you you know if there was ever somebody that could rival right in his got i got a printout [12:00] there was ever somebody that could rival in aesthetically in divinely given looks have you guys heard of smart you know because this is this one is smart you know smart smart in is like well-dressed smart [Laughter] smart have you heard of this guy by the way he's like a social media legend his name is uh this is it his name is smart hariram serial kisser [12:39] i'm not making this up honestly his name is serial kisser he's smart hariram hari ram i'm telling you honestly is his posts i took something let me just one moment people and then i'm going to carry on don't worry i'm going to carry on with the but i gotta i gotta share some of this with you i got two man i got to this is people this is smart hariram [Laughter] and here he is again if ever somebody could rival [13:16] hariram serial kisser good look so here he is again in his photoshop and he says look friends today i tell you one cigarette secret gal dagot proposed me one term but i said no i said hariram is no marriage to women oni please women she smiles and says she is not women's her name is [13:56] her name is gal i said okay girl but i am not your boy [Music] hashtag serial kisser hashtag hariram so ghulam and the reason why hari ram is not it's not an insult because later on you're going to learn in a moment hariram khadyani saab actually claimed to be an incarnation of krishna krishna ji later on krishna i'm not making i'm not making i'm going to quote the sources yet ## 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