# Backdrop: trolling by Ahmadis and the video that prompted the reply - URL: https://muftiabulayth.org/r/decxag9d9g8/s/1/ - Date: 2019-01-15 · Kind: other · Transcript tier: machine · Recording: A Reply to False Messiahs: Mirza Ghulam Qadiani! -Mufti Abu Layth (0:00–6:33) - Watch from the start of the segment: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dECxAg9D9g8&t=0s - Recording page: https://muftiabulayth.org/r/decxag9d9g8/ **Topics:** Ahmadiyya and false messiahs; Technology and media **Summary (not a quotation; machine-made, unchecked):** The reply was prompted by an Ahmadi video claiming Mufti Abu Layth borrowed his views from them, followed by days of online trolling. Mufti says he opposes persecution of Ahmadis but will respond. ## Longer summary Mufti Abu Layth says he has to give the backdrop to why he is addressing the Qadianis: over the past few days he has been trolled online by Ahmadis after one of them made a video about him, which he finds embarrassing and mocks. He says he has not been picking on Ahmadis and has spoken against the persecution of anyone, including them. He describes the video as claiming that anything sensible he has said he took from the Ahmadis, such as his view that there is no second coming of Jesus, though he says his own video explains that the messiah concept is what gave rise to the Ahmadiyya, and that there is no killing of apostates, and as replaying clips of him saying tattoos are not haram. A short clip of the video's maker is played, in which he says the Prophet brought the last shari'ah and is the last law-bearing prophet. Mufti says he was repeatedly tagged, warned that he would respond, and that dozens of accounts then flooded his posts, so that he blocked around forty; one person then emailed him, and he says he put a sincere question to him about Mirza Ghulam. ## Sources and names cited - Mirza Ghulam Ahmad of Qadian ## Transcript (machine tier, 0:00–6:33) [0:00] right okay so let's get to this uh the kadiani thing people okay i gotta give you the backdrop right this is the backdrop okay it's more important because you have to understand why i'm clarifying on the kadyani's so people over the past few days i i i have been getting trolled by who by the katyanis [0:37] this is embarrassing to say but i i've got i'm but i've got to okay give you guys the backdrop so some kadyani guy made a video about me this is this is so embarrassing it's getting trolled and bullied online by katya this is like getting bullied by a librarian i've got like some nerds bullying me [Laughter] [1:17] it's like confidence today it's like look at the confidence these people have so anyway what's happened is some padiani decided to make a video for no reason i have not been picking on katyani's i have not been picking on kardiani i have even called in the past to tell people and i still support that i'm against oppression and persecution and all that kind of stuff of anybody right and i've said that about cardianis as well but out of the blue some guy just thought i know here's muftiya [1:55] i don't know why he thought that he's either never watched any of my refutation videos [Laughter] so he's decided to make a video saying in fact you know what if i can bring up a brief clip on youtube now he made this video just saying that look multiple lathe and this is the dumb thing he's trying to roast me in it okay it's not trying to curse roast because obviously for that you need a sense of humor and if you had a sense of humor like that then you wouldn't you obviously couldn't follow that [2:34] messiah but i'm gonna get to that in a moment right so the so he says that look basically half the time he's saying anything good i've said or anything interesting he's saying i've taken it from them so every everything i'm saying that makes sense oh yeah he took this from us but we explained this better than he does and everything so for example he says oh i've said that there's going to be no second coming of jesus let's say he says oh he he took this from the khadiyanis i took this from the katyani's did i even though i've got a video [3:12] explaining that the whole messiah concept is what gave rise to the khadianes but he he says oh look uh anything like when i've said look there's no apostasy sorry there's no ruling for as in you know you don't kill the apostates and things like this so he said uh oh he plays that clip and he says we agree here with him but basically i'm somehow taking this from them as well uh but they still explain it better and then he just keeps he takes and then he refuse and then he just does like loads of what that sunni defense were doing [3:50] i think he just took the video here's this guy mufti abu leith saying tattoos are not haram here he's saying this is not haram he is not oh [Laughter] [Laughter] so this is the guy right i'll just saw a brief clip of him not the last [4:29] religion he brought the last sharia and is the last law bearing prophet as for the books but anyway then they repeatedly tagged me into this clip and then i just said look this is so dumb but they wouldn't let me be so okay i said to them look if you carry [5:08] on people i'm gonna respond to you guys so anyway that was the background then they trolled me they came so many of these guardians came onto my posts on instagram and they made all these comments within something like a few hours i must have had to block something like 40 of them something like that and then over this following days they continued to troll i couldn't believe this yeah right so this this is just taking the mix so anyway i said look okay hold your horses hold your horses people yeah i will so one of them [5:45] started emailing me and he started asking me these qu oh it's me i said who who are you introduce yourself i'm the one who did this and about this video and this and this and this yeah i don't even know who you are you're not introducing it i've got no idea and so obviously you know if you're gonna wind me up so i just said to them look okay legitimate question i said okay here's a sincere question was mirza ghulam [6:22] okay sorry okay sorry people but but that's what you're gonna get if you provoke people like me this is obviously gonna happen then he was like look oh my god i've i'm going to share these emails i was like why are you going to share them i will share it anyway so put that all aside so people have asked what is this khadiyani thing what is the backdrop let's explain about mirza ahmed khadiyani sahib that's right so people first of all right i'm going to ## Cite Mufti Abu Layth Archive, segment dECxAg9D9g8/s/1. https://muftiabulayth.org/r/decxag9d9g8/s/1/ Not a fatwa: these answers were given to specific people at specific times. 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