# Critics silent on marital rape, and a story about research and conclusions - URL: https://muftiabulayth.org/r/cz26by1mmns/s/4/ - Date: 2018-07-08 · Kind: discussion · Transcript tier: machine · Recording: Reply to Sunni (Wahhabi) Defence Pt. III -Mufti Abu Layth (12:34–19:12) - Status: general teaching - Watch from the start of the segment: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cz26by1mMns&t=754s - Recording page: https://muftiabulayth.org/r/cz26by1mmns/ **Topics:** Responses to critics; Abuse in marriage **Summary (not a quotation; machine-made, unchecked):** Mufti Abu Layth says his critics avoid the real issue of marital rape, and challenges them to produce a sound chain for the hadith. ## Longer summary Mufti Abu Layth says the real problem is that his critics do not seem to object to marital rape, to such things being attributed to the Prophet, or to the hadith going against the Quran on coercion, and instead attack a side point about the forum quotes. Mufti challenges them to produce an unquestionably sound chain for the hadith. He tells a story he heard from a scholar of the subcontinent about a researcher who pulled the wings off a fly and concluded that a fly without wings becomes deaf, to show how a conclusion can be drawn that the investigation does not support, likening it to the leap from a misrepresented forum quote to calling him an antichrist. He closes jokingly that one should be grateful to haters and have sympathy for them, and moves on to questions. ## Sources and names cited - Sunni Defence (YouTube channel) - report: if a woman refuses her husband's bed the angels curse her ## Transcript (machine tier, 12:34–19:12) [11:55] say the problem is you're at the jail the problem is you're at the jail I don't know I don't know what's it come back to that I'm asking like right so am I wrong in every so is all of this wrong then have I lied in all of this is this what you know what I've based the conclusion on my own conclusion that is a model is what these people have said these names have not the bar let her be all these names of quality sayings a model is the ll of tirmidhi all of these [12:33] things are these wrong sena brother so what the problem rather problem is you done oh yes alarm you know seriously you see look this is the this is the problem you know this is the problem that no once I'm less how will s is here highlighting that you ask these people do you have a problem with rape going on the marital rape they don't seem to have a problem with that okay [13:10] our Amy Gulf Arab brothers you know the harem brothers you know this not all this particular brother right so they don't seem to have a problem with the rape they don't seem to have a problem with such nonsense being attributed to the Prophet they don't seem to have a problem with this going against the verse of the Quran about coercion and all of these things have no problem whatsoever they don't seem to attack what I've highlighted as the actual criticism the actual conclusion of what I've said attack that o you by the way in between [13:47] you said these names but these names were misrepresented on the forum okay did I rely on those names did I rely on those things did I go with what did I call that much I kept there did I say his religion was a problem did I say these did I go with that as the reason to debunk this hadith no rather I said he was a motherless but it's it's but you must either be at the jail or either leader Hill so this this is the problem this is what we're dealing with so I've been asked to comment again I've [14:25] commented now look if you would like to show that this chain is absolutely authentic then do so show it to me show me an unquestionably uncritical chain allowing this kind of nonsense of marital rape show me and I will then take it to task but this is the you know we they just oh we've asked this is the BS the BS of Abu layth the B this is where the research is one thing and the [15:02] result is another if in fact there's a story I remember somebody told me you know like a sub-continental scholar from the subcontinent he said once there wasn't a somebody doing some research so he was researching flies and he's trying to show the contrast between sometimes research the investigation and the result so you had this fly and he was and what he would do is he would pull like it obviously trapped this fly fly around he'd check it out investigating then [15:41] you'd clock one of the wings and then you'd say auto off like you told to fly fly fly so that so it only have one ring so kind of flap around like kind of like all bent and everywhere then what he did is he plucked both wings and the flight would just stay there and he'd say no fly fly and the fly wouldn't fly so he said ah so his result was the conclusion so that was the investigation the result was he said it part is kind if you'd pull out one wing this fly McKee period [16:20] at the you know if it flies bent but if you pull out two wings you plucked wings your mucky barrier data becomes death so that's that's what you have a huge difference between an investigation so he's assuming that the fly is now death so this is the thing so because that is saying that this was misrepresented on a particular forum so now Abu layth must [17:00] be an antichrist he must be at the job that's the natural conclusion that just follows on the natural conclusion isn't that yes all these hadith and let's deal with the third lease and let's bring a chain that's unquestionably uncritical the natural conclusion is okay because that forum had this or whatever this is misrepresented these names which you didn't rely on by the way but still the natural conclusion is you must be an [17:31] antichrist oh god I love them oh do do do in other pakistani stars ago haters are haters I tell you haters now this you got it see they have this this drive to them you got to be grateful for your haters as well to be fair you gotta be grateful because to be honest with you it's like somebody said the other day [18:09] about hater and I said look I said let's be honest I said to the guy if you were anything like that person a stuffing luck I'm not saying it people were saying I'm not saying he was ugly people are saying Solomon yeah but if you were anything like these people like I'm just saying in particular this person we were discussing the other day who was kind of hating I said let's just face it let's be honest if you are like that let's just use the term Muharram deprived you [18:49] two would hate the world so you have to you have to have this you have to give you a sympathy to these haters you have to say haters Aulani mercy right let's move on people let's take some questions let's take some questions ## Cite Mufti Abu Layth Archive, segment Cz26by1mMns/s/4. https://muftiabulayth.org/r/cz26by1mmns/s/4/ Not a fatwa: these answers were given to specific people at specific times. Ask a qualified scholar about your own situation.