# Thanks for the correction, but the chain is still flawed - URL: https://muftiabulayth.org/r/cz26by1mmns/s/3/ - Date: 2018-07-08 · Kind: discussion · Transcript tier: machine · Recording: Reply to Sunni (Wahhabi) Defence Pt. III -Mufti Abu Layth (7:00–12:34) - Status: general teaching - Watch from the start of the segment: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cz26by1mMns&t=420s - Recording page: https://muftiabulayth.org/r/cz26by1mmns/ **Topics:** Narrator criticism; Responses to critics **Summary (not a quotation; machine-made, unchecked):** Mufti Abu Layth accepts that three forum quotes were misrepresented but says he never relied on them: his case rests on the narrator's tadlis, which his critics have not refuted. **Checked position (checked by two independent reviews, not by the channel):** Mufti Abu Layth says that one should be grateful when people point things out. **Evidence, his words at 7:36:** “I first of all know we should be grateful when people point things out hamdu lillah man lam yasha Kareem a slim ish couldn't love whoever does not is not grateful to people is not grateful to Allah” (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cz26by1mMns&t=456s) ## Longer summary Mufti Abu Layth thanks Sunni Defence for pointing out that three quotes about a narrator, which he had taken from a forum, were misrepresented, saying one should be grateful when people point things out and citing the hadith that whoever does not thank people does not thank Allah. Mufti says that in his video, which they cut short, he did not adopt those quotes calling the narrator a liar or problematic in his religion, but said the narrator was a problem because he was a mudallis and the chain uses 'from'. He asks whether he was wrong about where the hadith is found, in reading its chains, in noting that it rests mainly on two narrators, or in citing critics such as Ibn al-Mubarak [?], Ali ibn al-Madini [?] and al-Tirmidhi on that narrator's tadlis, and says they cannot show that he was. He says their response is instead to call him a dajjal or an ignorant man. ## Sources and names cited - Sunni Defence (YouTube channel) - report: whoever does not thank people does not thank allah - al-A'mash [?] - tadlis (mudallis) - Abdullah ibn al-Mubarak [?] - Ali ibn al-Madini [?] - al-Tirmidhi - report: if a woman refuses her husband's bed the angels curse her ## Transcript (machine tier, 7:00–12:34) [6:21] vague term if they use vague terms then they hadith becomes problematic so I mentioned that I also mentioned how these clashes with the verse of the Quran that are she wound up in my roof that you have to treat women with kindness Allah says you either with them or you set gracefully how the prophets Allah listen always to kindness I showed that how so all of these these narratives how there is no coercion in Islam all of these kind of things I went through now okay our lobby brothers right so he's pointed [6:59] out first of all I would like to highlight our sunny defense brothers they pointed out that during all of this this all during my analysis and evaluation of this hadith I highlighted three names which he says which were from I obtained from a forum that misrepresented the quotes and therefore they inaccurate okay so first of all I want to say first of all I want to say thank you shukran shukran for [7:36] highlighting that muchas gracias me hermano and Wahhabi I first of all know we should be grateful when people point things out hamdu lillah man lam yasha Kareem a slim ish couldn't love whoever does not is not grateful to people is not grateful to Allah to the Lord right so then I want to highlight that look these these quotes or these names I mentioned with them what they'd said okay I then immediately if you watch my clip which they quite conveniently stopped at that point if you watch my [8:15] clip I go on I don't stop the I carry on these clips iPad sorry these quotations I do not take as my judgment I do not take as my judgment so one of the these quotations come down to two things one that this person a lash lat mush is a cath lab is a liar - he's motohama Dini he write that he's somebody who's being is problematic now I go on to say immediately after that why a lot mesh is problematic I do not say because he's a liar [8:53] I do not say because his Dean is a problem I say a lack mesh is problematic because he's a motherless and there is uh Nana in this chain so you can watch what I say I immediately after that go on to say this so as far as these quotes being in a forum let's say misrepresented shukran shukran okay they misrepresented I appreciate that you've highlighted that so his conclusion by the way his conclusion was because these let's say these three quotes these three names and these quote coming down to him being a [9:32] liar or him being accused he that his Dean was problem at his religion was problematic that these things are from my forum which is misrepresented z4a boo less by the way I love the way they're all say lathe I believe I will list is one of two he's either he's either Dajjal he's either an antichrist or he's just an utter J he'll who's absolutely wrong in what he's saying so okay let's [10:08] go to what I've said why don't you so am I why don't you highlight very clearly that I'm wrong in saying a lot my she's a motherless I'm ranked highlighted say that I'm wrong in saying that much the model is say that I'm wrong in the chain that hadith that I've quoted and the tough reach that it's found in these books am I wrong no they'll say no you're absolutely right it is in those books am I wrong in reading the change that it was that much from her house in from a beret say no no that is right that is right that will live I'd say am I wrong in mentioning and that it comes [10:46] down primarily to these two Rorie's say no that is not wrong this on my brother say am I wrong in highlighting that evening Mubarak and his criticism of a lot much am I wrong name or a lien on Medini or intangible command that the amount of that lease a lot much has done that is omitted names lalala and Allah ie has mentioned that utility so on in the author even after Boris mentioned you don't listen enough [11:17] that from weak narrators you would omit them am I wrong am I wrong to say no am I wrong in my conclusion in saying that this hadith has a modulus and it's an honor am I wrong rather why didn't he just openly say it's wrong let's design this what you could not do but they would say no you're not wrong so I'll say okay I'm on so so what's the problem my brother what a problem they [11:55] say the problem is you're at the jail the problem is you're at the jail I don't know I don't know what's it come back to that I'm asking like right so am I wrong in every so is all of this wrong then have I lied in all of this is this what you know what I've based the conclusion on my own conclusion that is a model is what these people have said these names have not the bar let her be all these names of quality sayings a model is the ll of tirmidhi all of these [12:33] things are these wrong sena brother so what the problem rather problem is you done oh yes alarm you know seriously you see look this is the this is the problem you know this is the problem that no once I'm less how will s is here highlighting that you ask these people do you have a problem with rape going on the marital rape they don't seem to have a problem with that okay ## Cite Mufti Abu Layth Archive, segment Cz26by1mMns/s/3. https://muftiabulayth.org/r/cz26by1mmns/s/3/ Not a fatwa: these answers were given to specific people at specific times. 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