# What is wrong with the other Bukhari and Muslim chains on Jesus's return? *The second Bukhari chain and the first Muslim chains: Qutayba, Yunus, al-Zuhri again* - URL: https://muftiabulayth.org/r/b1ooltqtptw/s/36/ - Date: 2021-03-02 · Kind: lesson · Transcript tier: machine · Recording: Monday Nights with Mufti #204 | Q&A Unscripted & Unrestricted! 😉 | Mufti Abu Layth (2:48:28–2:54:10) - Status: general teaching - Watch from the start of the segment: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1OOltqtPTw&t=10108s - Recording page: https://muftiabulayth.org/r/b1ooltqtptw/ **Topics:** Narrator criticism; Hadith collections and their history; The second coming of Jesus **Summary (not a quotation; machine-made, unchecked):** The second Bukhari chain passes through Qutayba, who once concealed a forger, and al-Zuhri; the Sahih Muslim chains include Harmala, Yunus ibn Yazid and others the critics faulted. **Checked position (checked by two independent reviews, not by the channel):** Mufti Abu Layth says Qutayba heard a fabricated hadith from a known forger, dropped him and presented it as heard from al-Layth, which puts at least a question mark over him. **Evidence, his words at 2:49:33:** “there was a famous forger who quraiba sits with he hears this hadith from laith he doesn't hear it he hears khalid he drops him and himself presents it as though he heard it from leith” (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1OOltqtPTw&t=10173s) ## Longer summary Mufti Abu Layth turns to a second report in Bukhari, from al-Layth from Ibn Shihab. He says Qutayba is generally reliable, but that al-Bukhari himself relates asking Qutayba whom he was with when he wrote a particular hadith from al-Layth, and Qutayba said he was with Khalid [?], a known forger; Qutayba, he says, heard a fabricated hadith from the forger, dropped him and presented it as heard from al-Layth, which puts at least a question mark over him, and the chain again contains al-Zuhri. He then takes three alternative chains in Sahih Muslim: the first has a narrator some questioned for laxity, and one whose transmission from Ibn Shihab is doubted because he saw him only when very young; another runs through Harmala, of whom Abu Hatim says they do not take him as evidence, and Yunus ibn Yazid al-Ayli, who according to Imam Ahmad did not remember hadith accurately and wrongly joined reports to Sa'id; it also contains al-Hasan al-Halwani [?], whose material some said should be thrown away, and al-Zuhri again. ## Sources and names cited - Sahih al-Bukhari - Sahih Muslim - Qutayba ibn Said - al-Layth ibn Sa'd - Khalid [?], a known forger - al-Zuhri - Harmala ibn Yahya - Abu Hatim al-Razi - Yunus ibn Yazid al-Ayli - Imam Ahmad ibn Hanbal - al-Hasan al-Halwani [?] ## Transcript (machine tier, 2:48:28–2:54:10) [2:47:50] you know when we used to meet ibn zuri he would there would be a difference of opinion in many things he would tell us one thing then he would go and tell a different party a different thing and he would transmit to a third party a different thing this is why we abandoned azori that's imam leith writing in his famous letter to imam malik right so you tell me is ibn shayab zori reliable and when he says he doesn't even say that but when he says that he's he blacks it the hadith of the prophet wanted to commit suicide they say it's from zuri he made it up but he just [2:48:28] projected it to the prophet right so you've got this okay this is one hadith in bukhari okay let's see now here's another hadith he presents this in bukhari from laith from ibn shahab from ibrahim now so first of all [2:49:02] now kotaba is generally reliable i accept that however right they now if you look on the left hand side i did transmit that even bukhari himself transmits i said to quteba who were you with when you write a particular hadith from laith that this hadith this particular hadith he says i was with khalidi who was a known forger of hadith [2:49:33] says that this particular hadith is fabricated yet is the one transmitting it he doesn't mention khalid in it so there was a famous forger who quraiba sits with he hears this hadith from laith he doesn't hear it he hears khalid he drops him and himself presents it as though he heard it from leith and it was a fabricated hadith now you tell me when somebody does that that's at least a question mark how reliable is that person then in this chain once again you've got zuri same thing somebody who adds words who projects them back to the prophet makes them [2:50:15] now now let here are some alternative chains okay now there's three chains running here alternative chains he presents and these are in sahih muslim okay the first chain abdullah that you can see there now over here there's a little question mark on him okay some people had questioned uh jafar al-faryabi does present that some people questioned about him that him being [2:50:53] a bit relaxed about hadith but tikka sofiani when he transmits from ibn shabzov is problematic why because he only saw him when he was very young and a lot of the hadith he presents from ibn shabs he's usually probably blagging somebody in between who is reading them from a book he didn't actually hear them from him hence a lot of people don't rate his transmission then you've got here eunice ibn yazid al-ali let me just see there yep you can see there in the second chain eunice where it says eunice now sorry you've [2:51:32] got harmalab i'll do harmala and then come to eunice says says i asked he says uh for hadini about him and your hadith and abu hatim says we do not consider him we do not take from him as evidence now okay let's go back to uh just bef uh now you've got [2:52:10] right now eunice ibn yazid al-aily is not somebody who would remember hadith accurately and he says that uh it's transmitted check this out imam ahmad transmits that hadith he didn't even have a good knowledge of hadith and he would write saeed so he would sometimes there would be a hadith from ibn shahab and he would connect it to said and it wasn't even like that or he would take hadith and just connect them and notice this [2:52:49] also goes forward to connect with zohari and to also saeed as well on certain occasions so you've got hasan al-halwani in this chain says about him hadith i do not even know that of him actually studying hadith who is this certain people had also transmitted from him that throw his stuff away [2:53:29] they went to that extent they throw it in the rubbish that's about hasan al-halwani now and then you've got zuri again the same problem going on now you've got another chain the same kind of thing except it's coming from okay so it's the same chain just the person in the beginning is changing that's one variant in muslims [2:54:09] even though he is generally reliable however imam bukhari and abu dhabi avoided him because they felt he wasn't actually scrupulous they avoid they do not transmit anything from him that alone is a question mark then there is also a narration in kitab hajj from ibn rumah where he says from leith and if not ever say that we heard from laith and yet bukhari mentions that they got that totally wrong then you've got zuri in the same chain going through the same issues are repeated now here you've got this again yuna sibna yazid again ## Cite Mufti Abu Layth Archive, segment b1OOltqtPTw/s/36. https://muftiabulayth.org/r/b1ooltqtptw/s/36/ Not a fatwa: these answers were given to specific people at specific times. 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