# Is there really scholarly consensus that Jesus will return? *Overview of Qadhi's claims: ijma, Ibn Hazm on disagreement, creed books and the dons* - URL: https://muftiabulayth.org/r/b1ooltqtptw/s/30/ - Date: 2021-03-02 · Kind: lesson · Transcript tier: machine · Recording: Monday Nights with Mufti #204 | Q&A Unscripted & Unrestricted! 😉 | Mufti Abu Layth (2:12:52–2:18:13) - Status: general teaching - Watch from the start of the segment: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1OOltqtPTw&t=7972s - Recording page: https://muftiabulayth.org/r/b1ooltqtptw/ **Topics:** The second coming of Jesus; Mutawatir and certainty; Exchanges with Yasir Qadhi **Summary (not a quotation; machine-made, unchecked):** Mufti Abu Layth rejects Qadhi's claims one by one: the Quran does not suggest a return, no narration is sound, Ibn Hazm recorded disagreement on it, and the Maliki authorities did not hold the reports to be mutawatir. **Checked position (checked by two independent reviews, not by the channel):** Mufti Abu Layth says the Quran does not strongly suggest a second coming of Jesus, contrary to Qadhi's claim. **Evidence, his words at 2:13:28:** “these were some of the key things that below it has made that the response would be academic clearly wasn't the quran strongly suggests the second coming it doesn't” (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1OOltqtPTw&t=8008s) ## Longer summary Mufti Abu Layth sums up Qadhi's key claims with a short answer to each: that the response would be academic, which it clearly was not; that the Quran strongly suggests the second coming, which it does not; that four verses show it, which he denies; that the hadith leave no doubt, which he calls utter nonsense; that there are a hundred narrations, not one of which he considers sound; and that the reports in Bukhari and Muslim are indisputable, which he will examine. He says he will answer the points over the coming weeks in the series Disclosure with a big D, since Qadhi gave half truths. On the Maliki dons he says Qadhi can be a Salafi and disagree with Salafi scholars but will not let Malikis do the same; on ijma he says Qadhi omits that Ibn Hazm recorded some nine hundred years ago that Muslims disagreed on whether Jesus will return, and that Ibn Taymiyya's notes on Ibn Hazm's work on consensus [?] do not criticise that point. On creed he says Qadhi omits the major creed works that do not mention the return, among them Ibn Taymiyya's al-Aqida al-Wasitiyya, and that the scholars he cites as dons held the reports to be not mutawatir but accepted with some doubt; he adds that an exegete some six or seven hundred years ago [?] already mentioned reading the return as a metaphor for goodness at the end of time, so Muhammad Abduh was not the first. ## Sources and names cited - Yasir Qadhi - Ibn Hazm - Ibn Taymiyya - Maratib al-Ijma' (Ibn Hazm) [?] - al-Aqida al-Wasitiyya - ijma' - mutawatir - Salafi - Maliki school - Muhammad Abduh - Sahih al-Bukhari - Sahih Muslim ## Transcript (machine tier, 2:12:52–2:18:13) [2:12:12] so you could see from there that by the assistance of without me even beginning yet by the assistance of biggie d himself we've managed to say well mother father what is going on man what is this mother father what is this man what is this man so father means father and father father that's a sanskriti word so now [2:12:51] here this is what yasir khadi sahib has been going on about right so let's take a look very briefly now i mean not brief let's take a quick look now at if i can some people who are being this people is a quick overview now to show what is it that yes said to sum it up for you guys all right so you've got [2:13:28] these were some of the key things that below it has made that the response would be academic clearly wasn't the quran strongly suggests the second coming it doesn't there are four verses show this to be true i'm afraid not these leave no doubt uh that's utter nonsense 100 narrations not a single one sound hadees from buhari and muslim are indisputable we will take a look at that in a moment so these are some of the claims that it is now what i'll do some of these i will be looking at in weeks to come [2:14:06] i will take certain points and answer them as part of the series disclosure with a big d because yasar khadi has done disclosure with a small d i'm going to do it with a big d because he's been giving a lot of half truths you know so right so many scholars stating it must be true such numbers cannot be wrong these are all his claims maliki dons have clearly stated uh one cannot be maliki and deny the second coming note how himself he can he can be salafi [2:14:45] and yet disagree with salafi olama but when you're maliki no you can't disagree at cha cha cha this kind of hypocrisy hypocrisy there is ma on the second coming second coming there is ma all the scholars have agreed and even though he didn't by the way he didn't cite things like ibn hasan documenting 900 years ago in his book that they that the muslims and he says the main body of muslims [2:15:23] about jesus will he return he states that they disagreed yet he doesn't highlight that he highlights muhammad abdul 800 years before muhammad abdul ibn ahazam had highlighted it in his book he doesn't highlight the um the fact that ibn tamiya has his notes on on on the marathon and doesn't even criticize that point he ignores that as well [2:15:58] now he says that it's mentioned in major books of creed he he doesn't highlight the major books of creed that don't mention it he doesn't highlight others one of his you know the major uh people of akita who who who has his uh if he highlights he doesn't show that oh he doesn't mention he doesn't mention that ibn tamiya himself in the vasathiya doesn't mention it all the ulama it's not in the um [2:16:37] it's not in and these scholars who he highlights as dons actually mention it not to be muttawater they mention it to be something that has still doubt in it but they accept it so he completely misses these points but cello let's uh um and and at these points in the weeks to come i'll elaborate further on them either him saying muhammad abdul was the first person to come out with the spirit of jesus has he studied uh has he studied his makassi the side it is mentioned in the [2:17:16] and this is what six seven hundred years ago you're going so at least almost 600 years ago you're going he mentions that some people even when he mentions the second coming of jesus he says some people say this is a metaphor to say that there will be goodness towards the end of the end of time as though it's almost christ-like this kind of peace he mentions that hundreds [2:17:45] oh the first person to come up with this was muhammad abdul in egypt in 1900s i know you said you did one day research one and a half day research you should have finished the half a day and made it into two holidays [Laughter] maybe you would have discovered this ## Cite Mufti Abu Layth Archive, segment b1OOltqtPTw/s/30. https://muftiabulayth.org/r/b1ooltqtptw/s/30/ Not a fatwa: these answers were given to specific people at specific times. 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