# Do people who deny Jesus's return reject the unseen?

*Deniers as rejecters of the unseen? Belief, consciousness and the heresy charge*

- URL: https://muftiabulayth.org/r/b1ooltqtptw/s/17/
- Date: 2021-03-02 · Kind: lesson · Transcript tier: machine · Recording: Monday Nights with Mufti #204 | Q&A Unscripted & Unrestricted! 😉 | Mufti Abu Layth (1:26:08–1:29:15)
- Status: general teaching
- Watch from the start of the segment: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1OOltqtPTw&t=5168s
- Recording page: https://muftiabulayth.org/r/b1ooltqtptw/

**Topics:** Reason and revelation; Soul, nafs and consciousness; Exchanges with Yasir Qadhi

**Summary (not a quotation; machine-made, unchecked):** Mufti Abu Layth rejects Qadhi's charge that deniers of the return reject the unseen: belief itself is in the unseen God, and he is himself preoccupied with consciousness, which science cannot explain.

## Longer summary

Qadhi's clip has just called denial of the return and of miracles a refusal to accept the unseen, one notch below disbelief. Mufti Abu Layth replies that belief is all about God, who is unseen, and nobody has a problem with that, nor with consciousness, which is also unseen from a scientific perspective. The clip continues that this group follows Western scientific paradigms in which nothing outside the senses can exist, and Mufti says that one thing he is personally preoccupied with is consciousness, which science does not currently understand, whose neural-correlate theory cannot be substantiated, and for which in his understanding the evidence argues for a non-local consciousness. He notes that Qadhi names him, by his moniker, among the figures he charges with heresy.

## Sources and names cited

- Yasir Qadhi
- ghayb (the unseen)

## Transcript (machine tier, 1:26:08–1:29:15)

[1:25:29] divinely placed there is from muhammad abdul and his teacher jamal dillahani nobody before them had ever said that but but sorry man i digress man so these are the first people to question miracles pay attention people pay attention type of people well known this is the criterion between those who believe in and those who don't believe in and that's basically one charge short of kufr so this denial of the second coming and these miracles is basically a problem with people who refuse to accept the unseen

[1:26:08] which is one notch below disbelief [Laughter] even though even though even though you see a h you see belief is all about god god is unseen nobody has a problem with that nobody has a problem with the concept of raw unconsciousness these kind of things even from a scientific perspective are unseen but still stellar still still let's pay attention pay attention

[1:26:40] and he claimed that the reason why this entire group does not want to affirm the return of jesus is that they are following the western scientific paradigms of anything outside the senses cannot exist and that miracles cannot exist and that there's no such thing as the science of day of judgment and so so pay attention that these are why us are misled because we're following science and simple empiricism nothing anything that cannot be substantiated tangibly

[1:27:18] does not exist one of the things that i'm personally so preoccupied with mentally is unconsciousness which is not you know currently in the realm of science it is not understood it is not doesn't have any real uh you know the neural correlate theory doesn't really uh it can't be substantiated and if anything the evidence argues for a non-local consciousness which by the way in my understanding is i go on about this all the time but it's because people allegedly struggle with anything that science does not affirm

[1:27:55] that they have a problem in with these miracles allegedly let's see let's pay attention people so basically he's charging them with being uh heretics by the moniker mufti abu leith and by the monarch and others [Music] all of these figures they have the same argument some of them are more developed than others uh firstly all of these figures back to

[1:28:34] my and others as well and all of these paradigms of anything outside the senses uh cannot exist and that miracles cannot exist and that there's no such thing as the science of day of judgment and so basically he's charging them with being uh heretics by the monarch muftiya and by the monument we'll come back to this a little later they have the same back and forth and led by the monarch and by the monarch and we'll come back to that people pay attention pay attention

[1:29:14] pay attention man pay attention people some of them are more developed than others uh firstly all of these figures back to muhammad abdul all the way down to the modern groups firstly all of them they have a different concept of the sunnah okay they define sunnah differently than the way that the majority of sunnah defines sunnah in fact right so this is an important point by the way since muhammad abdul i think we should put a big d in muhammad abdul

## Cite

Mufti Abu Layth Archive, segment b1OOltqtPTw/s/17. https://muftiabulayth.org/r/b1ooltqtptw/s/17/

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