# Where did the idea that Aisha was six or nine come from? *Why the young-age narration began: rumours against Aisha and her nephew Urwa* - URL: https://muftiabulayth.org/r/a6h5lye4mn8/s/13/ - Date: 2020-07-14 · Kind: lesson · Transcript tier: machine · Recording: Monday Nights with Mufti Abu Layth 173 (54:44–59:03) - Status: general teaching - Watch from the start of the segment: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6H5lYE4MN8&t=3284s - Recording page: https://muftiabulayth.org/r/a6h5lye4mn8/ **Topics:** The age of Aisha; Narrator criticism; Sunni-Shia dialogue **Summary (not a quotation; machine-made, unchecked):** Mufti Abu Layth says the six-and-nine narration seems to originate with Aisha's nephew Urwa, countering rumours spread against her, and that every chain runs through him. **Checked position (checked by two independent reviews, not by the channel):** Mufti Abu Layth says the narration of Aisha being six and then nine seems to come from her nephew Urwa, who was trying to combat rumours about her. **Evidence, his words at 57:54:** “the genesis of this rewire of her being six and then nine it comes from her nephew trying to combat those rumors” (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6H5lYE4MN8&t=3474s) ## Longer summary Mufti Abu Layth explains why, in his view, the age narrative arose. Decades after the Prophet, in Aisha's lifetime, a backlash against her began, especially from some Shia, with rumours that she had committed adultery; some extremist Shia still say on YouTube that she was of bad character, that she had been married rather than engaged to Jubayr ibn Mut'im [?], and a Shia preacher he names, Yasser al-Habib [?], calls her lustful. He says it was Urwa, her nephew, who countered these rumours by pushing her age back to six and nine, so that such claims became inconceivable, though he did not need to. He says every narration of six and nine comes through Urwa, and that in the one or two said not to, his name seems to have been dropped from the chain, so Urwa is the missing link. ## Sources and names cited - Aisha - Urwa ibn al-Zubayr - Jubayr ibn Mut'im [?] - Yasser al-Habib [?] - Shia ## Transcript (machine tier, 54:44–59:03) [54:04] have actually worked on it with but I wanted to do it in more a chat format because I thought if I just sit in lecture I'll get boring so I did ask or someone that look how about we do this as a discussion format on the age of Ayesha covering all the chains so he has agreed and we will hopefully do that I it's just I want her also put some of the chains in a chart a graph sorry and just haven't got around to making the graphs this is where I need a buncha secretaries I think so our assistants [54:43] right so but the reason why this whole age thing begins with Asia is you will see that what it is is that after the prophets a few decades like but in Asia's lifetime as she matures significantly there's a huge backlash against a chef by other certain people especially the Shia and the Shiite Riley and people and other people as well but especially them now they were rumors [55:20] that began that was stating that Aisha had committed adultery and these people were spreading these kind of rumors so you see that and they still do till today so you will see some of some of these people doesn't mean all she I'll do this but some she I will openly state they may be kind of extremist she are but they will it's on YouTube they will say that she was a person a bad character even before the prophets lifetime sorry even before her marriage to the Prophet she was [55:59] married they say to Ma time energy Wade and they will say that that they will state that because the sunny sources except she was engaged because the hadith says most summer she was named for him but they state no she was married she was not a virgin they had consummated the marriage and also she was somebody some of them say there's that what's his name yeah Cyril Habib has a whole videos well where he [56:35] stating she was a very licensures and sultry and lustful young woman and she had been with many men Oh at least other men before she came to the Prophet and after the Prophet passed away she continued to go with other men this is what they claim now it's actually or WA who is the nephew of Aisha who then comes up with this story - and I don't think he really needed to do that but he does it obviously it's his aunt and he kind of [57:15] tries to push her age back right to a little girl that she was just you know nine and six so how could this even be possible it's inconceivable which it would be inconceivable for you know somebody tiny now in all honesty he didn't need to do that but it seems to be he is the aura is the the kind of the key player yeah and the from an ideological perspective with the origin [57:54] he you know the genesis of this rewire of her being six and then nine it comes from her nephew trying to combat those rumors and you don't really need to do that because look we don't we don't believe that anyway these rumors it's ridiculous so but this is where this age thing gets introduced and you will see every single narration and when we show the chains really comes through Ottawa and even the one or two that they claim don't or from [58:32] people who often quote or or what is it they narrate from Ottawa and it appears that they name is that his name is just dropped in that Senate but he is there and yeah so that's the the interesting thing that aura is actually the the missing link to this mystery ## Cite Mufti Abu Layth Archive, segment a6H5lYE4MN8/s/13. https://muftiabulayth.org/r/a6h5lye4mn8/s/13/ Not a fatwa: these answers were given to specific people at specific times. 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