# Is the chain Hammad ibn Salama from Thabit from Anas for the crying-tree hadith sound? *The Anas chain: Hammad ibn Salama from Thabit from Anas, and who was most reliable from Anas* - URL: https://muftiabulayth.org/r/8u9-aslyrze/s/8/ - Date: 2018-02-21 · Kind: lesson · Transcript tier: machine · Recording: Reply to Sunni (Wahhabi) Defence Pt.I -Mufti Abu Layth (24:42–31:15) - Status: general teaching - Watch from the start of the segment: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8U9-ASlyrzE&t=1482s - Recording page: https://muftiabulayth.org/r/8u9-aslyrze/ **Topics:** Narrator criticism; Authenticating hadith; Responses to critics **Summary (not a quotation; machine-made, unchecked):** Mufti Abu Layth argues it is not: critics report that Hammad ibn Salama's memory failed late in life, that Bukhari did not transmit from him, and that Thabit was not the most reliable transmitter from Anas, Qatada and Humayd al-Tawil being ranked above him. ## Longer summary Mufti Abu Layth takes the first chain the critics said he left out, which they called the most authentic from Anas: Hammad ibn Salama from Thabit from Anas, Thabit being, in their words, the most reliable transmitter from Anas. He notes they did not quote the full chain but lets that pass. He says critics record that Hammad ibn Salama's memory deteriorated at the end of his life, and that Ali ibn al-Madini transmits from Yahya ibn Sa'id that Hammad taught before and after his memory failed and people could not distinguish the two, which he calls the first problem. On Thabit, he says Ayyub al-Sakhtiyani would not take his hadith, as Ibn Adi transmits; that Abu Dawud [?], asked who was most reliable from Anas, named Qatada, not Thabit; that Abu Hatim al-Razi ranked al-Zuhri, then Qatada, then Thabit; and that al-Khatib al-Baghdadi [?] records Ibn al-Madini or Imam Ahmad [?] being asked whether Thabit or Humayd al-Tawil was firmer from Anas, with Yahya ibn Sa'id saying Thabit's memory was confused and Humayd was firmer. He adds that Imam Muslim accepted Hammad only as supporting evidence and that Bukhari did not transmit from him at all. He concludes that this chain is problematic and not the unanimously agreed-upon chain the critics claimed. ## Sources and names cited - Sunni Defence (YouTube channel) - Hammad ibn Salama - Thabit al-Bunani - Anas ibn Malik - Ali ibn al-Madini - Yahya ibn Sa'id al-Qattan - Ayyub al-Sakhtiyani - Ibn Adi - Abu Dawud [?] - Qatada - Abu Hatim al-Razi - al-Zuhri - al-Khatib al-Baghdadi [?] - Imam Ahmad ibn Hanbal [?] - Humayd al-Tawil - Imam Muslim - al-Bukhari - report: the tree crying for the prophet ## Transcript (machine tier, 24:42–31:15) [24:15] well okay you know you know it's interesting Abu layth didn't mention the other hadith he didn't you didn't bring the other chains Oh rather so let's see there what are these are the chain and you know what's funny is that when they overdo the Arabic [24:42] accent call they know the pronunciation you know I don't know the P no I I live in this place you know in this year United State but I don't know the B you know I can't pronounce it somehow that's supposed to lend more authenticity to them hilarious hilarious and what is it with some of these kind of people with the arabika [25:19] obsession you know it's like listening to them the all the overdoing it so much you think yeah when you're listening to them am I supposed to do will do or something what are the etiquettes to listen to these people right so okay he quotes a chain check this out now hmm right let me bring some of these chains up that he brings okay now he brings a chain he says that oh I'm surprised that [25:57] mafia belief most theable late left the more authentic narrations when it came to anis rhodiola on and he says the more authentic narrations from anis was this one from homogeneous element from thurb it's from anis now first of all he actually misses out the complete chain but okay I'll let that slide don't work buddy yeah don't worry bad let's focus on what you're actually saying I don't do petty you see unlike you guys don't do petty [26:37] ruthless maybe not Petie so I'm gonna let that slide the fact that you didn't quote the full chain let's go with what you quoted okay he says Oh in even imagine and some of these are the rewires imagine a Selma from rabbits from a nest oh whoa this is the most authentic you know this is the most authentic narrations we can get from honest and people have said that you know when it comes to unearth Abbott's is the most [27:16] reliable of people these this is what they say so okay so let's take a look imagine a cinema a great had a great movie it's Donna toffee Arcadia Marie it's Philip his memory became bad at towards the end of his lifetime memory became bad mm-hmm okay Lea trans a locally transmitted from from allele Medini who transmits from yagna side he says that he used to teach cobbler [27:53] cobbler lift a lot or bother and after if not after having messed up his memory well i FC who have them in black he didn't used to differentiate which was people couldn't differentiate it from his teachings which were from before his memory got messed up and which were from after oh we have problem my friend problem problem my friend first problem in the chain so I'm Matt from Sabbat right so he [28:30] sings a bit and savvy to toffee a theory hombre right a yubisaki any wouldn't even take his hadith right so just to begin with a yubisaki on e wouldn't take his hadith even ID transmits that and then right so this he and one point here he said Sabbath is the most reliable person from anis this is what he said so let's see what the scholars had to say about them what did I would I would say [29:08] when he was asked who is the most reliable person from anis he said it's Qatada qatada not Sabbath then he said you can accept thermal what did Abu Hatim rrz say he said it's Zuri then who then qatada then they'd you can take from Sabbath okay what about the so a lot of Abuja al-baghdadi when when he's speaking of at Medina humble being asked who is a spittoon ass from Anna's who is the most reliable source from honest and then he [29:46] says is it sabot or made at the wheel he says yeah hidden side would say the third bit taller Pie's memory got messed up but who made that the wheel is aspect so look at this chain a mullet eveness element by the way this madness Salman who I've shown that extol otaviano me hizmet is man we got messed up Muslim was very very kind of scrupulous when he would look at his change he would accept certain hadith from him only as [30:25] supportive measures and Buhari left him altogether Bihari does not transmit from a mindedness element because of this issue right so hammered from thurb it from anus and third bit is not the most reliable person from Anna's so there you go my friend this chain I problem me amigo this is a problem ass so this is not oh this is a unanimously agreed upon sonnet where is a unanimously [31:02] the pawn chain right so right so that was his first he brings this chain right okay then he goes on to say well okay he brings another chain right now he goes back to jabya they bring these chains to say Musti Abu layth left these chains oh and the chain is yeah yeah Adam says had definite Israel and obvious Huck I'm sorry did na'vi curb I'm Jarrett of not ## Cite Mufti Abu Layth Archive, segment 8U9-ASlyrzE/s/8. https://muftiabulayth.org/r/8u9-aslyrze/s/8/ Not a fatwa: these answers were given to specific people at specific times. 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