# Did Ibn Ma'in consider Isma'il ibn Abi Uways and his family reliable? *Abu al-Zubayr's grading, and the defence of his criticism of a Bukhari chain through Ibn Abi Uways* - URL: https://muftiabulayth.org/r/8u9-aslyrze/s/10/ - Date: 2018-02-21 · Kind: lesson · Transcript tier: machine · Recording: Reply to Sunni (Wahhabi) Defence Pt.I -Mufti Abu Layth (36:28–40:19) - Status: general teaching - Watch from the start of the segment: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8U9-ASlyrzE&t=2188s - Recording page: https://muftiabulayth.org/r/8u9-aslyrze/ **Topics:** Narrator criticism; Sahih al-Bukhari (BukhariGate); Responses to critics **Summary (not a quotation; machine-made, unchecked):** Mufti Abu Layth says that although one transmitted opinion of Ibn Ma'in accepts him, Ibn Ma'in is also transmitted as counting the household of Abu Uways among the weak. He adds that Abu al-Zubayr was weakened by several critics, so none of the chains the critics brought is conclusive. ## Longer summary Completing the second Jabir chain, Mufti Abu Layth says Shu'ba reported that Abu al-Zubayr used to make things up about people he disliked, that Ibn Ma'in and Ayyub al-Sakhtiyani considered him weak, and that Abu Zur'a, al-Shafi'i, Abu Hatim and al-Bukhari said he is not to be relied on as evidence [?]; he asks where the conclusive chains the critics claimed are. He then answers their attack on his criticism of a chain in Sahih al-Bukhari through Isma'il ibn Abi Uways from his brother Abd al-Hamid ibn Abi Uways [?], where he had said Ibn Ma'in considered him weak: the critics said Ibn Ma'in in fact held him reliable. He replies that the critics only cite one transmitted opinion of Ibn Ma'in, while in the commentary on al-Tirmidhi's 'Ilal, which he attributes to Ibn Rajab al-Hanbali [?], Ibn Ma'in is transmitted as saying that the household of Abu Uways and his son, and Ali ibn Asim [?] and his son, are among the worst of people and all weak. He mocks the critics' Arabic over the plural of 'weak', and calls their refutation pathetic for bringing unsound reports and then having the audacity to mock him, before turning to how low, in his words, they then fell. ## Sources and names cited - Sunni Defence (YouTube channel) - Abu al-Zubayr - Shu'ba - Yahya ibn Ma'in - Ayyub al-Sakhtiyani - Abu Zur'a - al-Shafi'i - Abu Hatim al-Razi - al-Bukhari - Sahih al-Bukhari - Isma'il ibn Abi Uways - Abd al-Hamid ibn Abi Uways [?] - Ibn Rajab al-Hanbali [?] - Sharh 'Ilal al-Tirmidhi [?] - Ali ibn Asim [?] - da'if (weak); du'afa' ## Transcript (machine tier, 36:28–40:19) [35:52] let's let's see what does Ali Al Madina say from ya here inside America pan that when if nurturing each is a caller if not H a Bahraini for who Allah shape it is nothing he's trying it because when he says Akbar Annie he means he just had the books what does Shabbos a shopper says I used to sit and watch it mature age come with just books and say to people like Zoe and other people I'm just gonna transmit these from you okay and they would say okay and shop bar would be like I used [36:31] to think what the hell so when he says Akbar Annie he's referring to just the book not the summit this is why the lobby says he has to say had Bethenny and let's take a look at Abu Simbel Sherpa what they show us a about him he says he used to make things up about people he didn't like my right so if marina and a yubisaki ami [37:07] considered him by Eve right abuzer our Imam Shafi'i Abu hot him and even Buhari said la the Jew baby ye right so people they go your chains flying out the window right where are they unquestionably conclusive that you claim where are they conclusive and you know what he said he tried to criticize one of Mike I was speaking about a chain in Bihari and he said Oh about a smile where Buhari is transmitting from is my lip [37:46] now be aways from his brother ran a burka or Abdul Hameed of workers is Cunha and he says that over that's not true you know my name considered him to be worse sorry so that's so first of all let's just take a look so he criticizes my criticism the book people the sheriff of the island of third movie this one please please please please my friend you we sit we listen to this one please right so yes he does transmit that there [38:24] is that opinion of yagna main saying that some people said yeah him mine accepted him but other people you tried it you know this one Burton eyes you know so what does yeah I mean say as a principal if not reachable humbly is transmitting from him that's the last object that these three houses a beer Tia is used as beaut as the pool of bait the in the year my I mean a Cheryl Cole they are from the worst of people the household of ethnic Adam and his [39:03] child were I live now awesome and his child what I'll do Abby always clone I'll be always cruel the entire family can win the who can you ain't know the Alpha know it can in the who the - did then he says the Alpha plural of weeks week okay so you can't say no a father in Arabic you can say they're often as well but these guys obviously they know [39:40] that you know Arabs they please please pay attention you know this one so can i in the who the Alpha remember that Baba these people I tell you so this is their this was their pathetic kind of refutation of me bringing a Hadees that are not sound themselves and then they have the audacity you know these people then they mock me and check this out this is how low they fall this is how [40:18] low they fall they said oh you know move right they said that you know move T he's picking up these points but what's the issue they said that what's this you know he's trying to say we should condemn this blasphemy condemn that blasphemy about the Profi and check this out they say they go on to affirm these blasphemous things about the prophet ## Cite Mufti Abu Layth Archive, segment 8U9-ASlyrzE/s/10. https://muftiabulayth.org/r/8u9-aslyrze/s/10/ Not a fatwa: these answers were given to specific people at specific times. 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