# Is today's Bible the same one Christians and Jews read in the Prophet's time? *Quoting the Bible, and is today's Bible the one of the Prophet's time?* - URL: https://muftiabulayth.org/r/143df7icoyu/s/4/ - Date: 2019-09-14 · Kind: question · Transcript tier: machine · Recording: Is the Quran corrupted? | Mufti Abu Layth (13:16–15:32) - Status: general teaching - Watch from the start of the segment: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=143df7icoYU&t=796s - Recording page: https://muftiabulayth.org/r/143df7icoyu/ **Topics:** Christians and other faiths **Question as asked:** Do we believe these books are correct? Then why do we quote them? And does the Quran imply that the Torah and the Bible we have now are the same ones the Christians and Jews were reading during Muhammad's time? **Summary (not a quotation; machine-made, unchecked):** Quoting the Bible where it makes sense is fine. Whether today's Bible matches the one of the Prophet's time he does not know, though it most likely may, and the Quran does not address it. **Checked position (checked by two independent reviews, not by the channel):** Mufti Abu Layth says that in all honesty he does not know whether the scripture Jews and Christians had in the Prophet's time was identical to today's, though it most likely may have been. **Evidence, his words at 13:52:** “in all honesty I don't know whether it was identical or not I know that there are several it most likely may have been” (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=143df7icoYU&t=832s) ## Longer summary Asked why Muslims quote these books if they do not believe them correct, Mufti Abu Layth says there is nothing wrong with quoting them where it makes sense. A second question asks whether the Quran implies that the Torah and Bible of today are the ones Jews and Christians read in the Prophet's time. He says the Quran refers to their having scripture but does not address this, and that in all honesty he does not know whether it was identical, though it most likely may have been, since many formative structures of Christianity, the Council of Nicaea and the decision which Gospels were reliable and which apocryphal, came before Islam, with some editing and the later Protestant Reformation along the way. He adds that some Christians in the Middle East followed other Gospels, such as the Gospel of Thomas and the infancy Gospels, and that he does not know which the Christians who met the Prophet followed. ## Sources and names cited - the Bible - Torah - the Council of Nicaea (325) - the Protestant Reformation - Gospel of Thomas - Infancy Gospel of Thomas ## Transcript (machine tier, 13:16–15:32) [12:36] books were meant to be preserved like that that was never part of the that wasn't what they were trying to do because it wasn't a book of recitals it was it was an understanding a message with the Jews I think a lot of their things have been preserved I I think they have generally because their books were more about laws and their living tradition is full of laws so I would believe that they a lot of the tradition has been preserved but I mean what difference does that make I mean it's not like just because it's preserved you're gonna you're gonna buy it now you know you're not going [13:15] really following so so children your smile is asking do we believe these books are correct then why do we quote them I mean we can quote them if it makes sense on certain aspects there's nothing wrong about quoting them if it makes sense guys so let's take some other does the Aaronic implied that the Torah and the Bible we have now is the same one that the Christian Jews during [13:52] Muhammad's time were reading the Quran doesn't address that the Quran does refer to them having Scripture was the scripture that they had today sorry that they had in the time of the Prophet Muhammad's Allah I leave a Selim identical to the scripture that we have that sorry that the Christians or Jews have today in all honesty I don't know whether it was identical or not I know that there are several it most likely may have been because a lot of the Christian kind of a huge bulk I know they were later reformation with the [14:32] Protestants and things like this but I think a lot of the major formative structures within Christianity had already occurred pre Islam so the Nicean council the sea of Nicaea and the institutionalization that takes place after that they pretty much decide which Gospels are up apocryphal and which are reliable and and there is some editing still that goes on along the way but there were other people that did follow so did people used to believe in the Gospel of Thomas or the infancy Gospels of Thomas or the Syrian you have that in [15:11] in the Middle East there were some Gospels that some Christians followed that other Christians didn't so who were the Christians that encountered the Prophet and what Gospels did they follow well we I guess I don't know but the Quran doesn't allude to it it doesn't really address that at all ## Cite Mufti Abu Layth Archive, segment 143df7icoYU/s/4. https://muftiabulayth.org/r/143df7icoyu/s/4/ Not a fatwa: these answers were given to specific people at specific times. 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