# Did the Prophet say he would kill the first Khariji's descendants?

*Abdul Rahman Hassan on the first Khariji and criticising rulers*

- URL: https://muftiabulayth.org/r/--pntsar8ck/s/38/
- Date: 2021-02-16 · Kind: lesson · Transcript tier: machine · Recording: Monday Nights with Mufti #202| Q&A Unscripted & Unrestricted! 😉 | Mufti Abu Layth (2:06:20–2:16:57)
- Status: general teaching
- Watch from the start of the segment: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--PntsaR8ck&t=7580s
- Recording page: https://muftiabulayth.org/r/--pntsar8ck/

**Topics:** Sects, sectarianism and takfir; Public law and governance; Views on contemporary scholars

**Summary (not a quotation; machine-made, unchecked):** Mufti Abu Layth says the Prophet never said 'I will kill his lineage'; in the Bukhari report he stopped Umar from killing the man, so the clip misrepresents the Prophet to defend rulers.

## Longer summary

Mufti Abu Layth plays a clip of Abdul Rahman Hassan arguing that the first Khariji was the man who told the Prophet to be just, the first to bring the mentality of protesting against the leader and voicing one's opinion, and saying the Prophet said 'I will kill his lineage'. Mufti mocks the clip as teaching never to criticise the Saudi king and calling public criticism of rulers kufr, with repeated jibes about Muhammad bin Salman. He says that in his zeal the speaker 'threw the Prophet under the bus': nobody in Islam knows of the Prophet saying 'I will kill his lineage', and in the same hadith in Bukhari the Prophet stopped Umar from drawing his sword on the man and said that from his progeny would come extremists whose outward worship exceeds others' though the deen does not enter their hearts. He asks why the Prophet would forbid killing the man but order his children killed, and says respect for the Prophet comes first and kings can wait.

## Sources and names cited

- Abdul Rahman Hassan
- Khawarij
- Umar ibn al-Khattab
- Sahih al-Bukhari
- report: umar asked to kill the man who told the prophet to be just and the prophet forbade it saying from his progeny will come extremists
- Muhammad bin Salman

## Transcript (machine tier, 2:06:20–2:16:57)

[2:05:39] oh lahi this is the type of ignorance people this is the hatred and the venom the cancer the radioactive toxicity that is being spewed this is why the deen suffers because people they have to learn this kind of stuff and think acha that's what my islam is about then i'm not even allowed to have these friends i should be weary it should be this should be that it's nonsense it is really a tragedy to be honest but it is what it is and right so right

[2:06:20] let's uh if you bring up the next one people let's bring up the next one it's you guys feel the calor the heat all right people let's see so what else is this

[2:06:57] was who the first charity who came out with the prophets he said to the prophet who was the first party to the head of the origin did not take a sword he said to the prophet to be just he went against the prophet by statement he's the first person who brought the mentality of protesting uprising against the leader mentioning your opinion the first person who said that now here one moment

[2:07:48] you know this is why yarinki you know the the the kind of sincerity i see in the in their hearts yeah i melt in front of it melt like ice cream on a hot summer's day i feel like i need to really sit here in you know like in a state of like salah like i'm praying nothing like listening to this wisdom not of course so here abdul rahman hassan

[2:08:29] in trying to support why we should never criticize [Music] never criticize who who people the something is like are you talking about allah criticize should never criticize people who make false claims against the prophet ooh we should never criticize the saudi king ah never criticized the saudi king you shouldn't even speak out against rulers and in fact the first khawarij

[2:09:08] the real extremists in islam were in the time of the prophet he according to ustad's as you've heard and and protesting was that sign of rebellion borderline kuffar so let's hear that part again man brothers brothers please brothers listen carefully mentioning your opinion the first person who said that from this who the prophet said i will kill his lineage

[2:09:53] he's the first person who brought the mentality of protesting protesting he's the leader mentioning your opinion the first person who said that from this ummah who the prophet said i will kill him i will kill his who from this who the prophet said i will kill his lineage the prophet said i will kill his lineage [Music] so according to him the prophet said that from this umber who the prophet said i will kill his lineage

[2:10:31] i will kill his nill it is who right so people here ustad ji is trying to teach us to cement the throne of mba sorry sorry how to preserve our iman [Laughter] how to you know like how you're going to roku

[2:11:10] how to kind of gusado you know like you you know browning you know he's teaching us how to really help help our beloved mbs all right so in saudi arabia i never criticize never criticize the saudi kings god forbid

[2:11:55] you know we sometimes we make these mistake you know so brother we are being taught not to ever criticize or publicly publicly voice your opinion against them this is kufar so whilst us in the zeal of iman you know defending the royalty blood boils sometimes you know mbs mbs where are you where are you

[2:12:33] he's like he's got his you know some people they have their heads so far up somebody's uh derriere so in this moment of passion and zeal what us he hasan so carried away he accidentally just threw the prophet under the bus it happened brother it happened this one no problem you know this one sometimes happened in zeel you know he so he said he's trying to speak of the first quarry so he gives an example he says in this example there's a hadith

[2:13:12] and the first i will show you the and so on and the prophet explains this however the first khariji was who the first

[2:13:51] khariji was who the first who came out with the prophet he said to the prophet didn't find the kind of target so you can see here in this getting carried away he goes on to say the first person who said that from this umber who the prophet said i will kill his lineage i will i will kill his i will kill his lineage this is who's saying this people this is the prophet is saying this to

[2:14:23] the prophet is saying this that i will kill his lineage i mean is this a is this something that king muhammad bin salman knows about special hadith special sanhed because nobody in islam seems to know about this that the prophet ever said i will kill his lineage why would the prophet say i'll kill his lineage but stop people from killing him omar said that let me take out my sword and the prophet said la

[2:15:01] it's in bukhari that's the same hadith and the prophet said that they will be from his generations to come people who are extremists and the deen does not really enter their hearts but they will outwardly do much more worship than you know a regular muslim will do did the prophet allow somebody to attack him no prophet stopped umar said la don't why would the prophet say don't kill him but his children that will come kill them where does the prophet say

[2:15:39] this what is the name [Music] when brother when we're cementing the thrones of the of the saudi kings i know the reality this one this one very nice you know very nice brother this one friend but no throw profit under bus you know there's some police to stop you know please this one not nice i can't believe you know the passion

[2:16:18] that people get so carried away that they just throw the prophet under the bus it's like yeah do you wanna calm down and pull our heads out of the derriere and just think yeah this is the prophet of islam what am i saying let's have some respect towards the prophet first and foremost then other people kings can wait till the end kings have got their own lavish lifestyles they don't need us mbs is living the life he doesn't need he don't need you or somebody to praise him and speak in his defense but yeah so this is the problem people

## Cite

Mufti Abu Layth Archive, segment --PntsaR8ck/s/38. https://muftiabulayth.org/r/--pntsar8ck/s/38/

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