# Do Ash'aris believe the Quran is created?

*Ash'ari books call the Arabic Quran created, under another word*

- URL: https://muftiabulayth.org/r/--pntsar8ck/s/17/
- Date: 2021-02-16 · Kind: question · Transcript tier: machine · Recording: Monday Nights with Mufti #202| Q&A Unscripted & Unrestricted! 😉 | Mufti Abu Layth (59:57–1:02:31)
- Status: general teaching
- Watch from the start of the segment: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--PntsaR8ck&t=3597s
- Recording page: https://muftiabulayth.org/r/--pntsar8ck/

**Topics:** Creed and the schools of theology; Salafism and Wahhabism; Sahih al-Bukhari (BukhariGate)

**Question as asked:** You talk about reason and the Quran being created so much.

**Summary (not a quotation; machine-made, unchecked):** Mufti Abu Layth says Ash'ari texts do teach that the Arabic Quran is created, but use the word muhdath instead of makhluq because of the stigma; many Ash'aris today do not know this.

**Checked position (checked by two independent reviews, not by the channel):** Mufti Abu Layth says the Ash'aris believe the Quran was created but, embarrassed by it, hide the wording behind terms the public would not understand.

**Evidence, his words at 59:57:** “ashadis believe that now but i've mentioned this before you see what they do is they're embarrassed of it so they hide the wording and replace it with words that the common public wouldn't understand” (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--PntsaR8ck&t=3597s)

## Longer summary

Responding to a remark that he talks about reason and the Quran being created so much, Mufti Abu Layth says Sunnis, the Ash'aris, believe the Quran was created but are embarrassed by it and hide the wording. He says their texts divide God's speech into kalam nafsi and kalam lafzi, are clear that kalam nafsi is not the Arabic Quran, and that a scholar he names, apparently al-Baqillani [?], says the Arabic Quran is created while replacing makhluq with muhdath, 'generated', because of the stigma. He says many Ash'aris today do not know this, and that Salafi da'wa has been so widespread and manipulative that people bought into it unawares, as with the elevation of Bukhari even among Hanafis, who historically did not rate Sahih al-Bukhari and whose imam Bukhari disparaged.

## Sources and names cited

- Ash'ari
- kalam Allah (God's speech)
- kalam nafsi (inner speech)
- kalam lafzi (worded speech)
- makhluq (created)
- muhdath (generated)
- al-Baqillani [?]
- Salafi
- Imam al-Bukhari
- Sahih al-Bukhari
- Hanafis
- Imam Abu Hanifa

## Transcript (machine tier, 59:57–1:02:31)

[59:56] you talk about reason and the quran being created so much it's a valid question bro sunnis believe that the quran was created ashadis believe that now but i've mentioned this before you see what they do is they're embarrassed of it so they hide the wording and replace it with words that the common public wouldn't understand so they don't use the word in fact if you read the asha'ira text they will say

[1:00:34] we don't we refrain from saying the quran is using this word because of the stigma associated with it but what we will say we will divide the quran into kalam nafsi and kalam love thee and kalam nafsi is not the arabic quran they're very clear so al-baqar al-barca he clearly says that the arabic quran is mahluk it is but they don't use the word mahluk they use the word replace it with the word mahdi as in generated see but this is it because it got stigma

[1:01:14] so they moved away from the wording and even a lot of ashari's don't know this today you know this they did such a good job even ashadis today are so dumb sometimes and you know the salafi dawa is so white so manipulative that many people don't realize like they've already fallen victim to it so even today don't realize that you know that how the so for example the bukhari is so widespread that people without even realizing it big up bukhari so much

[1:01:52] like even hanafi's who historically never rated bukhari sahil bukhari to be there because most of the effect is opposed to sahil bukhari and imam bukhari used to diss imam abu hanifa ridiculously so but later hanafi's because the the kind of discourse got so drowned in this discussion they even without realizing it bought into it so similarly because the selfie thing is so widespread the because salafis only talk so you'll notice that even sunnis now

## Cite

Mufti Abu Layth Archive, segment --PntsaR8ck/s/17. https://muftiabulayth.org/r/--pntsar8ck/s/17/

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